but the fact that the three young men care to mention the brand they don't want is a Rolex tells me that is a win marketing wise for Rolex. I also suspect they will come around once they have the means.
walked by an AD in Taipei while vacationing and noticed that those two are available. However, the black dial 116500 can be had if one first purchase an extra Cellini and a lady's SS watch. For the Sea-Dweller, you need only purchase an extra Cellini. Happy shopping