Yet, humbly said, old news. I was a VERY avid PP collector decades ago... until they moved service at Rock in NYC... and the seal fiasco... and the unqualified kid being their new front guy. Patek went downhill in various directions and sold all but one cherished vintage model (3820 that uses a modded Piaget ultra-thin movement). Still an avid collector of OTHER brands, and of course you're far better off with FP Journe, ALS, and quite a few other brands.