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There is a difference because there is an inherent conflict of interest if a media/publication provides editorial commentary and reviews on a product at the same time as having a financial stake or commercial relationship with the manufacturer.
This is not just a commentary on Hodinkee but on ANY other publication/blog/podcast, etc doing the same.
For example, I wouldn't consume news reporting on war in [insert conflict] if that publication was sponsored by Raytheon, etc. What kind of objectivity are you going to get from the coverage.
Similarly, I can't read a read of a watch on Hodinkee if I know their editors write them while looking over their shoulder at the Hodinkee Shop performance, where they sell the same item.
Beyer and Tiffany's don't have a watch blog - they are retailers - so their ONLY job is to sell product, NOT review/provide opinion on the same product
Need to have separation of "church and state".
My $0.02
Another 5711 “bomb” on the way?
Take a look at the Stern interview article from today in Hodinkee… Maybe a surprise coming… ...
I just read this article…
…and wrote an honest reply that was less than favorable to the Stern gods. I think I am on Santa Dinkee’s naughty list because everything I write goes into the gray moderation zone and most get deleted for good. The site can brook no dissent. They want ev...
Not a fan of Hodinkee collabs
I’m not a fan of Hodinkee collaboration watches as well. But find their articles interesting read and enjoy the video interviews of Talking Watches. So far last year has been sparse in the ppl they are interviewing
They have 'some' good content...
...but they suck up to everyone in the industry, especially the Sterns. And they have become increasingly 'woke.' Some of their recent essays spend half the time bashing white, heterosexual men...I can get that crap from TV...tell me about watches.
1...I have basically lost interest in Hodinkee.
Hadn’t been there for a long while. Used to check it every day or two. Just went back and saw an article imbued with politics. Nope. I’m out... John
Hodinkee helped make 38 mm watches cool again.
For influencing the market away from 45 mm hockey pucks, Hodinkee will always have my gratitude. I feel as though the publication has gone in a direction where I only on the periphery of the audience they are now trying to sell watches to. Hodinkee is no ...
I'm not exactly sure how they influenced anyone in the direction of...
...smaller watches. They review everything that comes along, just like other sites. Their commenters (me among them) called out hockey pucks and tuna cans when we saw them. Awhile back I made the comment there (surprisingly not censored) that they could e...
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They didn't do anything. Come on... The things people make up. Amazing. This is 2021 I guess.
I have asked them to delete my account
The censorship is such that it is no longer worth trying to say anything there.
Why is that wrong if Hodinkee managed to collaborate?
Everyone applauds if Beyer or Tiffany manage to put their logos on a Patek dial and the market lusts after those. If Hodinkee does it with a brand similarly, is that wrong? Are not magazines like Revolution Watch or influencers like William Massena etc ef...
If you're an investor and buying/selling watches trying to make a profit...
...and a Tiffany logo increases the value, then God bless you. I would prefer that my dials have as little extraneous text as possible.
There is a difference because there is an inherent conflict of interest if a media/publication provides editorial commentary and reviews on a product at the same time as having a financial stake or commercial relationship with the manufacturer.
This is not just a commentary on Hodinkee but on ANY other publication/blog/podcast, etc doing the same. For example, I wouldn't consume news reporting on war in [insert conflict] if that publication was sponsored by Raytheon, etc. What kind of objectivit...
News have to be objective and only present facts, while..
Reviews of any product or even a movie or a work of art are always subjective. A reviewer whose affinity is towards traditional watch-making may never be able to do an objective review of an avant garde and off-the-narrow-path watch, even with all sincere...
News has never been fact-based...
...that's an ideal situation that rarely, if ever, comes to pass.
Well said Chintu... But there's a bigger picture too.
The problem is this... What if some collectors who are new to the game (the potential profits in the watch world are drawing in new speculators/collectors) who listen to a critic's every word... They often listen to Hodinkee praise watches that Hodinkee g...
While I agree with you, I think there is a distinct diffidence between clear advertising and,”native advertising”...
Where the “review” is a paid for advertising without it being stated. I too am happy for H or anyone else to do whatever because I am past the stage of my collecting where other people’s opinions sway mine but I still think it is not possible to be a watc...
I agree with you. But Hodinkee would argue...
Hodinkee would argue that their editors and writers aren't told specifically to mention the brands they carry in a more positive way. But they probably would admit that they do write about those brands more simply because they have more access giving them...
I have been moderated and deleted as well on some previous posts in the comments at H
I find it troubling since I used no foul language and kept comments on topic (or what passes for it on a watch blog, anyway). And the comments just disappear and no one from the staff ever reaches out to explain why the comment was removed or give me an o...
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I'm not a moderator, nor do I care deeply one way or the other... but wouldn't you agree that spending too much time trying to be snarky is not healthy for your soul? Best, Robert
if patek resorts to a dink collab
i know peoples heads will explode in excitement but considering how hot patek models are i really hope they don't resort to this gimmick.
Has no one ever learned anything from Panerai?
Patek can discontinue the 5711, then roll out the 6711 with a 1mm larger/smaller case or some other mild tweak and continue on their merry way. Just like the old trick Panerai has used for ages.
Maybe along the way...
...they can figure out how to match the date background to the dial.
Getting back to the article…
This news is NOT about a Hodinkee collab. It is more info from Thierry regarding a possible upcoming release of FINAL 5711 version aside from the green dials
Not that it matters, but the Stones have never announced . . .
. . . a final tour. There's been speculation aplenty, including from yours truly, over the last thirty years that this or that tour would be the last, but not from the Stones directly. I'm still holding a ticket for the Minneapolis show canceled last year...
A promoter, perhaps? Or, as you say, just rumor and speculation...
Or maybe it just feels like there *ought* to have been a final tour. But they keep going... Good luck with the rescheduled show! John
It’s a bit of a puff piece from Jack F
...the puff piece bit doesn’t surprise me. Lots of stuff on Hodinkee is puff. Jack Forster is one of the *only* people doing professional watch writing who seems to have any integrity and whom I still respect (a big shout out to SJX for keeping it honest ...
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When I got my first Nautilus (3710/1A), I bought it because it appealed to me – at a (nice) discount! It was very easy to buy. I became a fan of the brand. That was awhile ago, and since then it seems Patek has become the Hermes of the watch industry. OK…...
I’m a collector and I don’t care.
If I can’t get Patek’s green or maroon or yellow watch, I can always purchase the Timex MK1 hand wind which is certainly more charming than a Patek leather strap that costs more than the Timex. The point I’m making is that most of us who’ve been collectin...
The moment the business discussion takes over
My 2 cts: The moment the business game discussion becomes more important than the substance of the product, I am out. I hold an MBA, so I understand what is going on, but this is mot what I am considering my hobby. The admiration for the true nature of th...
Well put. It’s sucking the pleasure out of the hobby.
Sadly watches have turned in to an asset class for investors.
much more interesting in this interview:
"We had about five different colors , and this one ( green ) was very nice with the steel , that’s how I decided. You do it from prototypes, you try and you look at it, and you have to pick one color." So, we could expect a new version in YG or RG case an...
This seems a plausible scenario to me, too.
I must say Stern's "there might be yet another one coming" is mildly annoying me as an uninvolved bystander. Will the industry's talking heads please grow up, please. Cheers Marc
As an afterthought, I find it interesting how many of you
obviously found it plausible that a 5711 collaboration with the Dink was upcoming. I, for one, would say with stern conviction that something like that just could not happen, ever. (And if it did - I wouldn`t have thought an AP super hero watch possible, ...
What a poor interview!
Second question from Jack Foster: why are you not doing connected watches? Seriously!
Only interested in this “One more thing…bomb”
I figure the only way to go out with a BANG will be to release a Salmon dial 5711 similar to this Salmon dial AP. Hopefully this will be the BOMB that Thierry is referring to… ...
Is not this dial thing getting too hyped?
Plonking in a new colored dial deems uber-cool and is being made to look like the next biggest horological achievement of the century. Brands are milking this craze of green and salmon dials merrily; and influencers are adding dry fodder to this fire. And...
Rumors…
Heard through the grapevine there is something being released soon!! Possibly this month… 🤞
Amazing you remembered this
Haha…many skeptics when the article came out that there may be something coming down the pipe for a FINAL 5711….well, today was the day!! Happy Holidays!!
Fingers crossed
Haven’t heard anything definitive but details are sparse so far on allocations. It may take a while before clients are notified if they have been allocated a piece. All I know is clients whom were sold Tiffany stamped watches and flipped them are definite...