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Mark, thanks a lot for your detailed review ...
about an outstanding and beautiful watch.
I can follow your thoughts very well and agree with most of them. Yes, the slimmness and smoothness of the case and bracelet is an important part of the beauty shown here. I think there are quite a few people which agree about the beauty, but still don´t understand the effort needed to deliver a bracelet and case on that level of execution and finishing. Some of the best RO´s come close, but only close - in my book. But it is less about good or bad, it´s more like a slightly different approach.
The movement - cal. 240 was introduced in 1977, as a thin base movement for perpetual calendars. Still today it is outstanding (for what it is) on several levels, but not the best you can get for money today - if I may say so. Is PP able to deliver something more sophisticated - a refined finishing for example? Yes, without doubts. In the volume needed? ... Probably not and it would change a lot of their current approach. Once you follow that path ... lots of (process) changes are needed ... At the end, only a few people like us will notice it anyway and I doubt it would help to sell them more watches.
Still I would like to see a slightly more sophisticated successor, which could be THE new benchmark in the industry, in the (near) future 
Mark, it was a real pleasure to read your review and (once more) to look at your pictures - taken in style. Thanks!
Oliver
Nautilus 5712 - An "almost 3 years" review
Hello gentlemen Purists, It's been a while since I wanted to make a little review of the 5712 after nearly 3 years (in May) since I purchased it. This is a watch I still love as I'm still greatly attracted by several elements which remained important to m...
Mark, thanks a lot for your detailed review ...
about an outstanding and beautiful watch. I can follow your thoughts very well and agree with most of them. Yes, the slimmness and smoothness of the case and bracelet is an important part of the beauty shown here. I think there are quite a few people whic...
Great review on the Beautiful 5712.
I too welcome a more sophisticated successor which sets the new benchmark in the industry. Again would like to see the Oscillomax integrated into the Nautilus 5712. I am sure there is something special PP are developing.
For next year...
and the Nautilus anniversary ? Yes maybe, I know Patek can perform a great move on the Nautilus side. I think It was Kari who mentionned a 2 hands ultra thin 5711 and I must say it could be really cool. Or a 260 based Nautilus but I don't think they will....
Oliver,
I think with your natural tact you've perfectly summeraized what I think. And you're right to say what I could want is quite different from most of traditional brands customers are looking for. Getting 5% better finishing is really not something that is w...
To me this model is one of Pateks boldest models
Bold because Patek is combining a moon phase and a pointer date in a diving, sports watch. The previous attempts to offer these complications in a classic design were commercially not that successful as this one has proven. Maybe AP was a inspiration for ...
This outfit indeed suits to the Nautilus very well
Glad you liked it Moritz, thank you. Cheers, Mark
Complications of 5712 in a classic design
does have its fair share of suscribers, and that is when Nautilus is too strong for those with a thinner wrist. Would be lovely combining the complications in 5712 with Breguet numbers in a calatrava. Different strokes for different folks. But yet again, ...
Great review even if i don't agree...
on the handcraft part. The nautilus strap is one of the hardest to work, and the human intervention is mainly here. As well as in the finishing of the case. Now you are right, that the level of finishing of the movement isn't the top of the top of the ind...
I think we are on the same line Fricks...
The issue of handcrafting which troubled me a little was really focusing on the movement side and I forgot to mention that the handcrafting of the bracelet is perfect to me and hence wasn't concerned about my remark. Glad you mention it so I can emphasize...
Good it was on the movement...
... and as you keep your watch on your wrist, you will not see it, that's less of an issue, and you can forget about it. But if it was something on the dial, and reminds you of it every time you glance at it, that would have been a real problem. How not t...
Why is it not "100% hand finished"?
I would still think that the shown bevelling work is handcrafted only. I agree that somebody did not spend an additional day or two to polish out the grooves of earlier bevelling steps completely. Am I mistaken? Is there really a machine that could perfor...
Without going in detail, there is more than one way ...
to get the finishing done. In all cases you need tools and or machines, but different ones. The main differences are the skills needed and the time to do it perfectly. There is a huge difference in the detail, if we talk about TOP industrial production or...
Machined?
Does it mean that the discussed bevelling of the Nautilus as shown on the pictures is made by a machine?
nice review
Mark, thanks so much for this review. From an education standpoint with regards to the beveling work performed on the bridges, with a loop, what exactly should we be looking for? Thanks so much.
Well,
Without wanting to make too much comparisions, you can see that the polished edges of the main bridges show little vertical lines (kind of grooves) and are not completly flat. You only really see it with a loup (the picture I posted is really highly zoome...
Always a pleasure to see....
this beautiful Nautilus captured in such wonderful pics. Great review as well Mark!! Best, Javier
Good review of the 5712 nautilus
Glad that i have the same watch as yours. Cheers Geross
Did you ever consider the leather strap version of the 5711/5712?
Your review is excellent and thank you so much for taking the time to confirm to me that the 5711 and 5712 are superbly balanced, surprisingly thin sport watch with an intoxicating blue dial. I was recently looking at some of the discontinued 5711s with l...
leather Nautilus
My first Patek was a 5711G, gray dial with strap. On the black crocodile strap gorgeous watch that could be worn at nearly every occasion. With the synthetic strap less elegant but far more easy to wear 24/7 and great for summer and beach. I would recomme...
Thank your for bringing this highlight over your experience
and thanks for the kind comments on my review :) By the way, i'm usually one of a kind watch guy, i.e. they must be quite different (even if from a same brand), but Nautiluses are really watches I could consider having in several versions (5711A, 5726 whi...
bracelet choice
Yes the Nautilus series is quite hard to resist and choose from. But seem like you agree with me that 5712/1A flies just above when it comes to choosing 1. However beyond that I find sooo many on my wish list. But personally inclined to go for strap as br...
I see you've been giving some thoughts already
and I quite understand your point of view. Let's see what Basle 2015 reserves (a RG 5711 ?) but the best surprise may also come from 2016 Nautilus anniversary year :) Cheers, Mark
These are legitimate questions Robert.
When I was considering my purchase (or the purchase of a Royal oak in the future), the watch could only be considered with a bracelet. That's the way I see the whole complete watch construction and design and, aesthetically, the way I like it most. This s...
If your asking me.
Its a sports watch. So its nice to wear with a metal strap. The 5711 / 5712 are elegant sports watches. My opinion hope this helps. Best Geross
Fantastic review Mark!!
great review points and great pictures! thanks for sharing. i agree with all of your points. didn't notice about the anglage and finishing - glad you pointed that out with a macro shot. Glad you continue to enjoy this baby! :) cheers Robin
Thanks a lot Robin!
Concering the anglage I'm really being fussy, the finishing remain fantastic. Happy that we share the same opinion about this Nautilus Robin :) Cheers, Mark
Thank you Mark, a very nice review!
I like my 3712 so much that sometimes I'm thinking that I should also get the 5712. Real stupidity from my side! I just came from Lapland and had my 5711 on my wrist all the time. On my previous visit I had my 3712. I have huge problems to decide which on...
Your problem is a luxurious problem
Maybe we can wish you remain unable to choose between the two! As for the finishing matter, in regards of the price range, I would say I agree with you when the watch enters the PC's area but one could also say that T€. 27 is already a nice price tag. Any...
I am thinking about ordering the new Nautilus watches.
Even those are not released yet. Best, Kari
Why are you laughing?
It seems that Patek try to limit the availability of the most wanted Nautilus. The most difficult to get is 5711 in steel and with blue dial, the next one is 5712 in steel. It's much easier to get i.e. the annual calendar. Take a model like 3712. It was n...
Lol, this is what I had in mind too :p
I just hope it won't be like AP with the tourbillon anniversary watches but simpler models. Cheers, Mark
Something like turbillon
Nautilus would be simply ridiculous. Even PP has developed to funnier direction, I still can't expect such things from them. Best, Kari
Nice review, Mark. Nautilus finishings are very refined...
Recently, I saw the difference in Patek's quality again when I took my 5726 from the bank, after 1 month....because I was wearing my other watches. I can hear a "wow" voice inside me, like the first time I held the watch during the purchase, under the sun...
This is true
the feeling is special when we get our Nautilus back on the wrist after a break. You must be very happy of your 5726. It is a Nautilus I like a lot. Still happy with your 5726's white dial? And is it balanced on the wrist or is the higher weight making th...
Thank you...
For sharing your thoughts with sincerity and objectivity, something really rare nowadays. I can confirm all your concerns about the finishing of the movement, which is not a 240 prerogative neither is for the 5712 but you'll find this level of finishing i...
Thanks for sharing your own experience...
Personally, I don't have any problem with the bracelet size or the crown, but every wrists have a different shape and we maybe don't wear the watch the same way. Thanks for the comments :) Cheers, Mark
5712g vs. 5712a
Hi Mark, Thanks for the great review. I am a young man about to finish law school and my mother wanted to get me a nice graduation gift. We decided on the Nautilus but I'm now leaning towards something with a leather strap because I will be wearing formal...
Hello and welcome on the forum :)
In fact, I was telling my strong preference for the 1A more for aesthetical reasons and the work needed rather than because it is what Sporty watch is about. The curosr of the strap version is indeed a little less on the sporty side, thus, a little more d...
Most appropriate watch for a lawyer (while in the office)
What do the senior partners in your law firm (or just about any law firm) wear while they're at the office? If it's a watch in the Patek family I would think they'd wear the most simple, restrained, and uncomplicated Calatrava in a size 36 or 37mm size li...
I think it depends on the person...
I used to work at a law firm and my boss (owner) was very into watches. He had an AP Safari, a gold AP RO, a diamond Cartier and an IWC Portuguese. But yeh, I think it's important to them to wear something that shows status.
Just one week ago I was in a meeting
full of rich ship owners and oil traders. This was my watch also there and with the Nautilus cufflinks you can go nearly everywhere. You do not really need anything else. Tell us what you finally decided. Best, Kari PS. The watch is a steel version - 3712...
I would call it:
The original complicated Nautilus with the original case design. Best, Kari
Looks fab with brown band and cross buckle!
gives the watch added warmth and elegance, it is sporty but it is white gold so dressy as well. it was near impossible finding an 18mm white gold cross buckle but they exist! brown band 18mm cross buckle ...
(patek) Nautilus 5712 - An "almost 3 years" reply...
Mark, thanks for your thoughts and especially for the awesome pictures, which go a long ways towards illustrating this classy watch in all its beauty. I'm a huge fan of the 5512 as I feel it has all the attributes of the 5711 and more. However, the 5512 i...
It is a nice watch indeed
Thanks a lot for you comments and input. Concering the 3712 though, I think I would still rpefer the 5712, for two main reasons. First, I prefer the curved sides (at 9 and 3) of the case which match in a better way the curves of the watch. The Straight sh...
Thank you very much indeed Mark
Nice work. Well written with interesting aspects from a wearer and knowledgable owner point of view. All of that accompanied with some extraordinary pictures. Well done! Cheers, Kolosstt
Nice post! Really pleased to read this Mark!
Nice post with some great pictures of the already photogenic 5712. Great watch! I love it! Yeah, the movement finishing is good, but not perfect. Thank you for pointing this out, it adds a nice balance to the article. As a movement finishing picky-person,...
I see we've had the same "hobby"....
...concerning the 5712 and we've read all the reviews we could find! I appreciate very much your kind words about my review. Indeed I think it is nice to hear what is good and sometimes what could be improved when discussing about watches, as long as it i...
Bought mine back ten years ago. Still love it very much. A super refined and versatile reference.
The current crazy market hype doesn't add or reduce 1 percent of my love. Nautilus is still the same Nautilus, same coolness, same comfort and same passion.