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Major brands and common mouvements. What are your thoughts on this?
Errors mentions, notes and additions welcome.
| Brand | Company | Movement Source |
|---|---|---|
| Audemars Piguet | Audemars Piguet | Audemars Piguet, Vaucher |
| Baume & Mercier | Richemont | ETA |
| Blancpain | Swatch | Blancpain, ETA, Frederic Piguet |
| Breguet | Swatch | Breguet, Frederic Piguet, ETA |
| Breitling | Breitling | ETA, Valjoux, Breitling Manufacture (B01) |
| Bulgari | LVMH | Bulgari, La Fabrique du Temps |
| Cartier | Richemont | Cartier, JLC, Piaget, ETA, Valfleurier |
| Casio | Casio | Casio |
| Citizen | Citizen | Miyota |
| Girard-Perregaux | Kering | Girard-Perregaux |
| Glashütte Original | Swatch | Glashütte Original, ETA |
| Grand Seiko | Epson | Suwa/Epson (Spring Drive, Hi-Beat) |
| Hamilton | Swatch | ETA |
| Hublot | LVMH | ETA, Zenith, Hublot Manufacture |
| IWC | Richemont | IWC, ETA, Valjoux |
| Jaeger-LeCoultre | Richemont | JLC |
| JeanRichard | Kering | Girard-Perregaux |
| Lange & Söhne | Richemont | Lange Manufacture |
| Longines | Swatch | ETA |
| Montblanc | Richemont | Montblanc, ETA, Minerva |
| Omega | Swatch | ETA, Omega Manufacture |
| Orient | Seiko | Orient |
| Orient Star | Seiko | Orient |
| Panerai | Richemont | Panerai, ETA, ValFleurier |
| Patek Philippe | Patek Philippe | Patek Philippe Manufacture |
| Piaget | Richemont | Piaget, ETA |
| Rolex | Rolex | Rolex |
| Royal Orient | Seiko | Orient |
| Seiko | Seiko | Seiko |
| Swatch | Swatch | ETA |
| TAG Heuer | LVMH | TAG Heuer, ETA |
| Tissot | Swatch | ETA |
| Ulysse Nardin | Kering (formerly) | Ulysse Nardin, ETA, Le Locle, Lamania |
| Vacheron Constantin | Richemont | Vacheron Constantin, JLC, ETA, ValFleurier , Lamania |
| Zenith | LVMH | Zenith Manufacture |
Notes & Adjustments:
- Bulgari: Bulgari increasingly uses in-house movements from La Fabrique du Temps.
- Blancpain/Breguet: Many Blancpain and Breguet movements are derived from Frederic Piguet calibers, though ETA may also appear in entry-level models.
- Girard-Perregaux/JeanRichard: Both utilize movements from GP Manufacture. Kering sold Girard-Perregaux and Ulysse Nardin in 2022, making their ownership less clear now.
- IWC: Uses a mix of in-house calibers (e.g., 52000 series) and ETA/Valjoux in lower-tier models.
- Montblanc: Incorporates Minerva movements for high-end collections, ETA for entry-level.
- Panerai: ValFleurier, a Richemont-owned facility, produces many of their movements.
- Ulysse Nardin: Historically relied on ETA but now heavily uses in-house movements and silicium technology.
- Vacheron Constantin: Uses a mix of JLC, in-house, and ETA movements in some older models.
- Zenith: Primarily relies on its own movements, including the iconic El Primero.
Member Updates
Vacheron Constantin -Traditionnelle PPC w/ chrono - Lamania. Cornes de vache - LamaniaBreguet classic chrono - Lamania/Swatch, maybe discontinued
Cartier doesn't make movements, they use Valfleurier movements
Ulysse Nardin relied on Lemania... And maybe ETA
AP uses Vaucher and VC use ValFleurier movements
| Brand | Parent Company | Movement Source |
|---|---|---|
| Baltic | Independent | Miyota, Sellita |
| Christopher Ward | Independent | Sellita, ETA, SH21 (In-house) |
| Farer | Independent | ETA, Sellita |
| Horage | Independent | K1 (In-house) |
| Kurono Tokyo | Independent | Miyota |
| Ming | Independent | Sellita, Schwarz-Etienne |
| Moser & Cie | Independent | H. Moser Manufacture |
| Norqain | Independent | Kenissi, ETA |
| Oak & Oscar | Independent | ETA, Sellita |
| Ressence | Independent | ETA base with ROCS system |
| Tudor | Rolex | Kenissi, ETA (historical) |
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Major brands and common mouvements. What are your thoughts on this?
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