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wrong because....
There is no day-date in steel (your caterpillar example) and, more importantly, the day-date is the "high-end" collection of rolex and was never a workhorse 
This is a fact
I don't really know what high-end is to you but " a platinum Rolex simply remains a rolex and won't ever be an "high end" watch.
That's nit an opinion, is just a fact." is something I would disagree with.
Of course you are entitled to your own opinion and decide that to you, an high end watch is only one made by traditional manufacturers like Patek, AP, Lange etc. is Nomos high-end to you because of their movements? This is again subjective.
To me Nomos is not an high-end watch and this is defined by the price-availability not necessarily by the technology. Of course if your previous watch/budget is a swatch then yes Nomos would be an high-end upgrade.
I am confident that even Patek or AP collectors/experts would agree that both the nautilus and roo are not the high-end offering of these manufacturers. There is always going to be a difference if you make 900,000 watches or so per year, like Rolex and I agree many are what you would define as tool-watches, and just 8,000 or 30,000 a year. Rolex doesn't want to be Patek and almost certainly Patek doesn't want to be rolex.
So to summarise my view a rolex day-date in platinum as an high-end watch especially within the rolex collection. Your argument that the day-date movement (especially the new one) is inferior to the 324 SC because is not as thin is not persuasive.
Technically and in terms of horology I don't see any breakthrough by patek in such a simple automatic movement. I own two patek with such a movement and they are nice to look at etc. but I don't see the superiority to the day date. It is not obvious to me and the micro-technology argument is not very convincing. The JLC reverso has a thinner movement but is not necessarily better.
Of course you can admire and prefer one movement vs. another but it seems that a lot of members in this forum like to see rolex as an inferior product without any reason other than the fact that they make more watches and don't need to finish them at the same level.
To address your hacking second issue: I never said that hacking second alone would define an high-end watch but, clearly, the lack of it is a big teller about the precision of that watch.
Rolex at least relies on an external certification for accuracy. So it is a certified chronometer. See the accuracy standard of the new 3255 that do exceed even the COSC standards. This to me is an important achievement, perhaps more than the finishing of the movement.
I own other watches that would probably fit your definition of high end but I don't think that the day-date is less high-end of valuable. Not just for the bracelet or the case but in terms of horological accuracy that, objectively, is better. I know that quartz is even more accurate but as a lover of mechanical watches I would like to keep the comparison between these.
but as a lover of mechanical watches I would like to keep the comparison between these. Now, is the Patek 5711 less high end? I don't think so but obviously a steel is not comparable to a precious metal one. This is true for rolex, patek etc. The new patek 57111/1R-001 is an excellent example of an amazing manufacturer, like patek, understanding the demand for something truly special that not only has an excellent movement but it is also made of precious metals and not steel.
Is he price difference justified given that this is the same movement just cased and with a bracelet in gold? Yes! because variety of tastes by the buyers makes all this interesting. Rolex doesn't have the same watch DD in steel so the whole argument about "why buy the platinum" doesn't make a lot of sense.
Your point is clear but you didn't pay attention to the original post " d) same price of a new day-date platinum "
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the rolex day-date platinum game!
I am always intrigued by the wise and inspiring choices of other puristsPro members so I would like to play a simple game. Taking the rolex day-date platinum price as a budget which watch you would have bought with the following characteristics: a) It has...
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I am seriously considering the Rolex Platinum Day-Date. I used to have the Rolex YG Day-Date (1999), but it was stolen alongside my Rolex GMT Master 2 (1997) and Rolex SS Daytona (2006) in 2008. Now, my collection consists of: 1) Breitling Ti Aerospace Re...
Congrats for your nice collection..can't go wrong with the day date platinum if...
If you don't mind a heavier watch - you will get used very quickly - the day date is an excellent choice. I have a 5711 and is certainly not the same feeling as the day date platinum. The PP, being steel, is obviously much lighter watch and a different fe...
Patek Nautilus 5980. Rolex 6542. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 5402 Full Set.
Vintage JLC Polaris 1965 or 1968. There may be several other possibilities. Nicolas.
Patek Nautilus 3700
mint with box & papers. I bet this one will please a lot, WIS recognise the watch without problems and it holds it's value unlike Rolex Day-Date. Best, Kari
thanks for sharing but...
I wouldn't be so sure about holding value with a used watch ..it could increase in value but it is so difficult to say. For a nautilus I would rather go with the 5711. I really prefer new watches that start their history with me ;) but this is highly subj...
I would love to spend that much money
"to a used steel watch". I guess 3700 is not your thing. It's the original Nautilus with two-parts case and a very interesting movement. Getting rarer and rarer. Best, Kari
not so little...gorgeous watch thank you!
Thanks for sharing the photo of your beauty - gorgeous watch :)
A lot...
a) It has to be a statement and recognisable I don't know and neither i don't care what is statement and recognisable, i cannot answer on this point. b) To be usable in all business settings (suits) Any ultra thin watch is usable in suits, there is a very...
thanks for sharing...
Own the first two of your list already...very nice watches but a bit sporty for a business / suit setting (and so is the submariner). Of course everything can work with every outfit but I think that the dd is more elegant and more of a statement. Oh well ...
I've to disagree...
If we talk from the point of view of the so called "dress code" the royal oak 15202 is a more elegant wristwatch than any other DD because of its low profile of case and bracelet which makes it to hide under the (possibly tight) cuff of the sleeve like th...
I understand but much...
Depends on what you wear e.g. many people would never wear a tie and have a smart casual attire most of the time that would work fine with the royal oak AP or nautilus steel etc. I appreciate your candour and, clearly, if you don't see a point on a watch ...
The price is not necessarily insane...
"...if compared to many other high-end watches." The matter is the DD is not an "high end" watch at all. " I can somehow related to your points differently: I am not excited by many complications like tourbillon, chrono, grand complications so may be the ...
it is certainly more high-end
than a 5711 in steel. It might come to you as a surprise but I am well aware that this is an horology forum :D The movement on the 5711 doesn't have anything special in terms of horology. As you well know it doesn't even hack -- which speaks miles about p...
Hacking...
Any ETA, sellita, soprod, or valfleurier movements hack, as they do it the chinese stuff. Maybe the swatch system 51 too... Do you really consider the value of a movement by the hack of seconds? Regards
so what? many nomos...
have a thinner automatic movement e.g. the patek 324 SC is 3.3 mm the nomos DUW 3001 is 3.2 mm thin so here it goes the argument about horology and thinner movements..
Perfect example...
Of high value movement from a not well known brand. Nomos is a stunning example of what you said before, not only famous and well known and recognisable brands can do high end horology. Nomos does it, with great value for money. Rolex doesn't, neither int...
wrong because....
There is no day-date in steel (your caterpillar example) and, more importantly, the day-date is the "high-end" collection of rolex and was never a workhorse :) This is a fact :) I don't really know what high-end is to you but " a platinum Rolex simply rem...
Is pretty evident...
The things we consider important to define an high end watch are completely different. You consider an high end watch that which has an insane price, which is statement, which is recognisable, and other things not related to horology, completely ignoring ...
I know...
That the 324 is not the best of the automatic movements ever made, as they are the 2121 in the AP 15202 or the 240 in the 5712. But still remains a far better movement than the really cheap one in a day date. It shoud be sufficient compare the thickness o...
you are obviously...
looking for an argument but I am not. My question / survey was precisely to see what else people would buy with this budget. I love to hear about other people choices and I am genuinely curious on what makes a certain watch special to some. I am well awar...