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it is certainly more high-end
than a 5711 in steel. It might come to you as a surprise but I am well aware that this is an horology forum 
The movement on the 5711 doesn't have anything special in terms of horology. As you well know it doesn't even hack -- which speaks miles about precision. I own the 5711 so I am not saying that is not a great watch but the argument that only certain brands are deem to be considered high-end because their respective movements have a better manual finish is just misleading.
If for you high-end is about precision the rolex is more precise or at least as precise as the AP or the nautlius.
If is about the breakthrough in the movement well you can simply see the new movement of the day-date 40mm to see that a rolex, in general, is not necessarily low end because they produce more watches.
Now if you say that patek and others have better products in the true high-end grand complications I would agree.
"But, in a forum about "horology" i still prefer to debate about "horology" rather than luxury platinum bracelets."
T he day-date is only available in gold or platinum. Patek does the same and so AP. The same movement might be available in steel or precious metals.
"The difference is why it costs a lot, and how the watch is made; and in my point of view there's nothing exceptional in a DD in platinum that can explain that price. Neither the "difficulty" to manage the platinum (c'mon.... 
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." I see your point but c'mon you can't be buying the idea that the 5711 or 15202 are horological marvels. They certainly have a better finish but they didn't bring anything new to the world of horology.
The 240 in the 5711 has a widely known date misalignment problem, it doesn't hack and is not a chronometer.
Of course to each his own and the whole point of this topic was not to defend rolex or the day date. Was just for me to get some ideas of what else people would buy with the same budget (and not at half price in steel). I like that rolex gathers to different audiences and doesn't try to create illusory demand or limited supply to raise their prices.
Thanks anyway for sharing your views. In my view an high-end watch is not meant to be in steel but a more sporty watch yes (and this is why in the rolex collection the day-date, that is at least for rolex high-end is not available in steel).
(and this is why in the rolex collection the day-date, that is at least for rolex high-end is not available in steel).
the rolex day-date platinum game!
I am always intrigued by the wise and inspiring choices of other puristsPro members so I would like to play a simple game. Taking the rolex day-date platinum price as a budget which watch you would have bought with the following characteristics: a) It has...
Curious minds would also like to know.
I am seriously considering the Rolex Platinum Day-Date. I used to have the Rolex YG Day-Date (1999), but it was stolen alongside my Rolex GMT Master 2 (1997) and Rolex SS Daytona (2006) in 2008. Now, my collection consists of: 1) Breitling Ti Aerospace Re...
Congrats for your nice collection..can't go wrong with the day date platinum if...
If you don't mind a heavier watch - you will get used very quickly - the day date is an excellent choice. I have a 5711 and is certainly not the same feeling as the day date platinum. The PP, being steel, is obviously much lighter watch and a different fe...
Patek Nautilus 5980. Rolex 6542. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 5402 Full Set.
Vintage JLC Polaris 1965 or 1968. There may be several other possibilities. Nicolas.
Patek Nautilus 3700
mint with box & papers. I bet this one will please a lot, WIS recognise the watch without problems and it holds it's value unlike Rolex Day-Date. Best, Kari
thanks for sharing but...
I wouldn't be so sure about holding value with a used watch ..it could increase in value but it is so difficult to say. For a nautilus I would rather go with the 5711. I really prefer new watches that start their history with me ;) but this is highly subj...
I would love to spend that much money
"to a used steel watch". I guess 3700 is not your thing. It's the original Nautilus with two-parts case and a very interesting movement. Getting rarer and rarer. Best, Kari
not so little...gorgeous watch thank you!
Thanks for sharing the photo of your beauty - gorgeous watch :)
A lot...
a) It has to be a statement and recognisable I don't know and neither i don't care what is statement and recognisable, i cannot answer on this point. b) To be usable in all business settings (suits) Any ultra thin watch is usable in suits, there is a very...
thanks for sharing...
Own the first two of your list already...very nice watches but a bit sporty for a business / suit setting (and so is the submariner). Of course everything can work with every outfit but I think that the dd is more elegant and more of a statement. Oh well ...
I've to disagree...
If we talk from the point of view of the so called "dress code" the royal oak 15202 is a more elegant wristwatch than any other DD because of its low profile of case and bracelet which makes it to hide under the (possibly tight) cuff of the sleeve like th...
I understand but much...
Depends on what you wear e.g. many people would never wear a tie and have a smart casual attire most of the time that would work fine with the royal oak AP or nautilus steel etc. I appreciate your candour and, clearly, if you don't see a point on a watch ...
The price is not necessarily insane...
"...if compared to many other high-end watches." The matter is the DD is not an "high end" watch at all. " I can somehow related to your points differently: I am not excited by many complications like tourbillon, chrono, grand complications so may be the ...
it is certainly more high-end
than a 5711 in steel. It might come to you as a surprise but I am well aware that this is an horology forum :D The movement on the 5711 doesn't have anything special in terms of horology. As you well know it doesn't even hack -- which speaks miles about p...
Hacking...
Any ETA, sellita, soprod, or valfleurier movements hack, as they do it the chinese stuff. Maybe the swatch system 51 too... Do you really consider the value of a movement by the hack of seconds? Regards
so what? many nomos...
have a thinner automatic movement e.g. the patek 324 SC is 3.3 mm the nomos DUW 3001 is 3.2 mm thin so here it goes the argument about horology and thinner movements..
Perfect example...
Of high value movement from a not well known brand. Nomos is a stunning example of what you said before, not only famous and well known and recognisable brands can do high end horology. Nomos does it, with great value for money. Rolex doesn't, neither int...
wrong because....
There is no day-date in steel (your caterpillar example) and, more importantly, the day-date is the "high-end" collection of rolex and was never a workhorse :) This is a fact :) I don't really know what high-end is to you but " a platinum Rolex simply rem...
Is pretty evident...
The things we consider important to define an high end watch are completely different. You consider an high end watch that which has an insane price, which is statement, which is recognisable, and other things not related to horology, completely ignoring ...
I know...
That the 324 is not the best of the automatic movements ever made, as they are the 2121 in the AP 15202 or the 240 in the 5712. But still remains a far better movement than the really cheap one in a day date. It shoud be sufficient compare the thickness o...
you are obviously...
looking for an argument but I am not. My question / survey was precisely to see what else people would buy with this budget. I love to hear about other people choices and I am genuinely curious on what makes a certain watch special to some. I am well awar...