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Perfect example...
Of high value movement from a not well known brand.
Nomos is a stunning example of what you said before, not only famous and well known and recognisable brands can do high end horology. Nomos does it, with great value for money. Rolex doesn't, neither intended to do it even if its customers like to think the opposite; end of the story.
Still again, i don't consider the 3.3 mm of an automatic winding caliber a "marvel" in itself in any way, above all if proposed in watches priced in the 20k bucks range.
But the DUW 3001 with its 3.3mm thickness, in watches priced just a few thousands of bucks, is a marvel in front of any Rolex movement (and Patek 324 also) 
And an automatic winding movement thick less than 2 mm, like the AP2121, the PP240, the FP71 or the Piaget 12P are still marvels. As a marvel is the new Bvlgari Octo Finissimo, just to stay away from the well known and recognisable brands. These are "miracles" of micro mechanics, still nowadays. Not a 40 years old rough work horse, even if it "hacks"
I don't know how you evaluate the value of a watch or movement, but it's not for sure the "hack" seconds the element distinguishing the value, quality or singularity of an high end movement, neither the brand who makes it (my examples about eta and so on were not intended about the brands but the quality and value of the things they do, would we consider "high end horology" any ot those movements, even if they hacks? I guess not).
As it's not the platinum the distinguishing element of value and quality of a wristwatch, neither are its statement, exclusivity, recognisability, and a bunch of other things have nothing to share with horology but you love to talk about
That cheap but robust work horse is perfect for a cheap rough tool watch like has ever been any rolex watch.
Like any eta or valfleurier or soorod or sellita workhorses in huge bunch of other similar watches are.
Is the platinum and the insane price related to it in order to make "exclusivity" where is just "banality", which is not well centred at all.
A platinum caterpillar still remains a caterpillar, doesn't turns into a Rolls Royce, as a platinum Rolex simply remains a rolex and won't ever be an "high end" watch.
That's nit an opinion, is just a fact.
Regards
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the rolex day-date platinum game!
I am always intrigued by the wise and inspiring choices of other puristsPro members so I would like to play a simple game. Taking the rolex day-date platinum price as a budget which watch you would have bought with the following characteristics: a) It has...
Curious minds would also like to know.
I am seriously considering the Rolex Platinum Day-Date. I used to have the Rolex YG Day-Date (1999), but it was stolen alongside my Rolex GMT Master 2 (1997) and Rolex SS Daytona (2006) in 2008. Now, my collection consists of: 1) Breitling Ti Aerospace Re...
Congrats for your nice collection..can't go wrong with the day date platinum if...
If you don't mind a heavier watch - you will get used very quickly - the day date is an excellent choice. I have a 5711 and is certainly not the same feeling as the day date platinum. The PP, being steel, is obviously much lighter watch and a different fe...
Patek Nautilus 5980. Rolex 6542. Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 5402 Full Set.
Vintage JLC Polaris 1965 or 1968. There may be several other possibilities. Nicolas.
Patek Nautilus 3700
mint with box & papers. I bet this one will please a lot, WIS recognise the watch without problems and it holds it's value unlike Rolex Day-Date. Best, Kari
thanks for sharing but...
I wouldn't be so sure about holding value with a used watch ..it could increase in value but it is so difficult to say. For a nautilus I would rather go with the 5711. I really prefer new watches that start their history with me ;) but this is highly subj...
I would love to spend that much money
"to a used steel watch". I guess 3700 is not your thing. It's the original Nautilus with two-parts case and a very interesting movement. Getting rarer and rarer. Best, Kari
not so little...gorgeous watch thank you!
Thanks for sharing the photo of your beauty - gorgeous watch :)
A lot...
a) It has to be a statement and recognisable I don't know and neither i don't care what is statement and recognisable, i cannot answer on this point. b) To be usable in all business settings (suits) Any ultra thin watch is usable in suits, there is a very...
thanks for sharing...
Own the first two of your list already...very nice watches but a bit sporty for a business / suit setting (and so is the submariner). Of course everything can work with every outfit but I think that the dd is more elegant and more of a statement. Oh well ...
I've to disagree...
If we talk from the point of view of the so called "dress code" the royal oak 15202 is a more elegant wristwatch than any other DD because of its low profile of case and bracelet which makes it to hide under the (possibly tight) cuff of the sleeve like th...
I understand but much...
Depends on what you wear e.g. many people would never wear a tie and have a smart casual attire most of the time that would work fine with the royal oak AP or nautilus steel etc. I appreciate your candour and, clearly, if you don't see a point on a watch ...
The price is not necessarily insane...
"...if compared to many other high-end watches." The matter is the DD is not an "high end" watch at all. " I can somehow related to your points differently: I am not excited by many complications like tourbillon, chrono, grand complications so may be the ...
it is certainly more high-end
than a 5711 in steel. It might come to you as a surprise but I am well aware that this is an horology forum :D The movement on the 5711 doesn't have anything special in terms of horology. As you well know it doesn't even hack -- which speaks miles about p...
Hacking...
Any ETA, sellita, soprod, or valfleurier movements hack, as they do it the chinese stuff. Maybe the swatch system 51 too... Do you really consider the value of a movement by the hack of seconds? Regards
so what? many nomos...
have a thinner automatic movement e.g. the patek 324 SC is 3.3 mm the nomos DUW 3001 is 3.2 mm thin so here it goes the argument about horology and thinner movements..
Perfect example...
Of high value movement from a not well known brand. Nomos is a stunning example of what you said before, not only famous and well known and recognisable brands can do high end horology. Nomos does it, with great value for money. Rolex doesn't, neither int...
wrong because....
There is no day-date in steel (your caterpillar example) and, more importantly, the day-date is the "high-end" collection of rolex and was never a workhorse :) This is a fact :) I don't really know what high-end is to you but " a platinum Rolex simply rem...
Is pretty evident...
The things we consider important to define an high end watch are completely different. You consider an high end watch that which has an insane price, which is statement, which is recognisable, and other things not related to horology, completely ignoring ...
I know...
That the 324 is not the best of the automatic movements ever made, as they are the 2121 in the AP 15202 or the 240 in the 5712. But still remains a far better movement than the really cheap one in a day date. It shoud be sufficient compare the thickness o...
you are obviously...
looking for an argument but I am not. My question / survey was precisely to see what else people would buy with this budget. I love to hear about other people choices and I am genuinely curious on what makes a certain watch special to some. I am well awar...