They should have thoroughly explained the difference...

Dec 04, 2019,10:40 AM
 

A Patek Philippe Service Consultant should thoroughly explain the difference. 

1. An email or phone call should've explained why they recommended a bracelet replacement.
2. If a bracelet replacement is requested or approved by the buyer, then Patek Philippe Service should explain that all you get is a new bracelet.  You don't get your 1.5 link using screws.  And that the new bracelet is not compatible with your old 1.5 link. 
3.  I can understand they won't give you back your old bracelet.  All of these are replacements based on return of the original.  Patek Philippe doesn't want anybody to have enough parts to make their own watch.  However, they should give you back your old 1.5 link.  Your old 1.5 link could still be used on your other Nautilus watches, if you were to have a second Nautilus timepiece with a bracelet that used screws. 
4.  Example; I had a RIMOWA suitcase exchanged due to a cosmetic problem that couldn't be repaired.  RIMOWA at this time was just starting their transition from using corrugated aluminum (ridges were formed through corrugated method) to a new "aluminum superforming mold" method.  99% of the people wouldn't be able to see the difference unless specifically pointed out to them, but I would've noticed the difference and I do have a preference.  But at this time, the service agent was careful to point out that his replacement differed very slightly from the one that I turned in.  While this was against my preference, I accepted it and was pleased to have been informed.  Patek Philippe Service should've definitely informed you that your screwed bracelet would be exchanged for one with pins. 
5.  The most important aspect of luxury should be thorough communication and professionalism. 


How to proceed from here. 
If you are extremely dissatisfied; you need to proceed from here with the General Manager of the Service department. 
1.  Ask for the general manager's email and send an email simply asking for a phone appointment.  Include 3 times and dates you're available for the phone appointment.  Be conscious you and General Manager of Service may not be in same timezone so choose one that will be acceptable to both of you.  Include your phone number that you used for the service if possible.  And just state there is a problem but don't go into detail. 
2.  Once you're on the phone call; establish what should've been the protocol, that you should've been informed of the difference between a screwed bracelet and a pin bracelet.  Make sure that the General Manager agrees you should've been informed.  And make sure the GM agrees that it was an "assumption" on their part that you wouldn't notice or care about the difference between the pin and screw bracelet.
3.  Explain to him that you now have a watch that is not what you originally bought 11 years ago, and you don't like the pin bracelet, and you weren't even informed of this.  And to top it off, you didn't even get your 1.5 link back which you could've used on your other screw bracelet Nautilus watch.  Because the General Manager agrees you should've been properly informed, by the GM's own logic, they have substantially modified your watch without informing you prior. 
4.  Ask General Manager, how can he fix this problem.  You propose; get your old bracelet returned. 


Thank you for sharing your situation with the WatchProSite community. 
I didn't know they would even switch a bracelet like this, it is really unfortunate you had to go through this!  I can only hope that your experience will remind the Service department to be more thorough and less assuming in the future. 


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My 5711 has just come back from an ultra complete overhaul with PP in Geneve

 
 By: radone : December 4th, 2019-08:46
I decided to bring it to a like new condition, opting for a bracelet replacement also. The 11 yo one was slightly used and I am a "maniac" Many reasons for joy BUT...unfortunately it involves a "but" and I would like to hear your opinions on how big is th...  

My personal take...

 
 By: shortys home : December 4th, 2019-09:18
... if they charge you the full price of a new bracelet they have to return the old one. If it was a lower „replacement price“ not returning the old bracelet is absolutely understandable. They should have informed you that the new bracelet is of a differe... 

Ouch. They just downgraded you to pins?!

 
 By: Rapwatch : December 4th, 2019-09:28
Totally unacceptable in my view. That is not the original spec of the watch. Pins. Yuk. I'm with you, this is why I have no interest in Nautilus since. The other issues are unacceptable too. It's all your property. Just get a Lange. Much better attention.... 

Rap Is Correct...

 
 By: elliot55 : December 4th, 2019-09:54
... Get a Lange.

There are several people here who have sold all their lange watches after customer service issues.

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : December 4th, 2019-10:42
Which is not a defense of PP, which has had, at least as far as I have seen online, many more issues.

I Am Sure...

 
 By: elliot55 : December 4th, 2019-19:21
.... Many of us, myself included, have sold any number of our watches for any number of reasons. Your Patek is beautiful, and if you are unhappy my guess would be if you wrote to the company they would most likely oblige you. Last thing Patek wants is an ... 

They should have thoroughly explained the difference...

 
 By: patrick_y : December 4th, 2019-10:40
A Patek Philippe Service Consultant should thoroughly explain the difference. 1. An email or phone call should've explained why they recommended a bracelet replacement. 2. If a bracelet replacement is requested or approved by the buyer, then Patek Philipp... 

Do people who are detail orientated ever have a good experience with PP servicing their watches?

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : December 4th, 2019-10:47
A little serious in the question (which could be made of most brands) although I understand it could be seen as inflammatory, that is not my intention (and apologies to all). It seems that this happens regularly and that a good piece of advice would be to... 

Horrifying especially from Patek

 
 By: Stylophile : December 4th, 2019-10:48
This situation would be totally unacceptable!! I am not sure if you have any recourse here

Sorry to hear...

 
 By: keks : December 4th, 2019-11:42
A most unfortunate series of events.... While I can somehow sympathize with the fact that you will not get your old bracelet back the extra link should be yours to keep. However I would have expected to be notified of the fact that the bracelet would be r... 

Out of curiosity ...

 
 By: sam1234 : December 4th, 2019-12:18
What was wrong with your old bracelet and do you know if there any good options for reconditioning? Patek apparently subscribes to the replacement rather than repair approach but I’ve heard that there’s folks out there who do a nice job fixing Rolex brace... 

Now, that you asked, I believe my old bracelet was fine

 
 By: radone : December 12th, 2019-13:03
In fact, when that watch was sitting on the dial, the bracelet did not sit round, as it should, but rather flat.

Thank you!

 
 By: radone : December 12th, 2019-13:01
I am still waiting for an answer from them.

Unacceptable

 
 By: CastorKrieg : December 13th, 2019-04:19
By changing the bracelet for a new one they have basically created a new reference - I would subscribe to the opinion that repair departments are removed from the brand values. Surely Patel would know this would destroy the second hand market value.

Aside from a lack of communication

 
 By: drphileasfogg : December 4th, 2019-13:38
Which is not very good, what you describe is acceptable in my opinion. Most brand do not return parts from service. This is to avoid feeding the Franken watch market. Only Longines return parts from my Dad’s vintage model. The fact that the bracelet was u... 

I think you need to communicate with Patek to have a clear picture

 
 By: Bill : December 4th, 2019-22:42
Our speculations only fuel the fire. The practice is not unusual and think when you have a chance to communicate your position it will be resolved.

Why would you

 
 By: watch-er : December 5th, 2019-08:01
swap out the screw bracelet for the cheap pins. The screws add just enough heft to give the bracelet a nice drape. The pins are very light (need to be to stay in place) and make the whole watch feel very flimsy and cheap to me. If your happy, that is what... 

Please explain

 
 By: Passionata_george : December 8th, 2019-04:40
what was wrong with the old bracelet

Instead of being roundish...

 
 By: radone : December 8th, 2019-13:25
...when the clasp is closed and the watch was sitting on dial side, it was almost flat. For some years, it was my daily wear and, apparently, this is what happens with time.

Are you sure the pin bracelet is thicker?

 
 By: RussW : December 8th, 2019-16:58
I thought the bracelets were otherwise identical, apart from screws versus pins.

I’ve read that Rolex also don’t return the replaced originals of the watch.

 
 By: Pun : December 11th, 2019-19:49
Perhaps the logic of this practice by brands is to stop the originals from falling into secondary markets for sale.

It depends on how they charge for it I guess...

 
 By: pejp : December 11th, 2019-21:01
If a brand new replacement bracelet cost say $1k to purchase outright, but in the context of a service it’s just included as part of the service cost, then I can understand it. However if they charge for a service and then charge that $1k in top as a sepa... 

I sent you by PM how much I paid.

 
 By: radone : December 12th, 2019-12:55
Sounds like full price to me...

Welcome to the wonderful world of Swiss Watch “customer service.”

 
 By: Horo_Traveler : December 11th, 2019-22:49
This brand has been co-opted by rappers, celebrities, flippers and quick movers and that’s OK if that’s what the brand wants it’s image to be. They just don’t feel special any more, like they used to. I’m not sure what their current identity is, once you ... 

Patek should have communicated the bracelet type would change and the amound of links included.

 
 By: Hiëronymus : December 12th, 2019-10:25
Now Patek should come with a satisfying poposal.