Mark in Paris
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I think that, especially when Patek is considered,
people would like to see what they want. This is natural but, aside from the fact it would be difficult to satisfy everyone, I don't think the way to success is to follow what people want but what they think their future offer should be.
You made a clear interpretation of how the watch can be seen and I agree with your view. That's what the brand wanted to present and I'm sure they knew people would have preferred a strap instead.
The 5131 has always been about an enamel dial work and pure example of high craftmanship. What the brand provides must not be only aiming at clients with traditional tastes. The trends and what people are looking for move on, the tastes evolve in line with trends we see in clothings, cars, architecture etc... and a brand like Patek should not imho follow what is today but prepare for what they want tomorrow and what people will look for.
The bracelet is seen by some as the 1980's accessory. But it can be seen as the future one as well. Yellow gold was considered 5 years ago as an old thing but today it is coming back and nobody says that it is old and out of fashion.
The 5131P is a very apepaling version of the 5131 and an artwork that not many brands provide today.
Like everything that has some character, it will appeal to a few number of people but it may serve the brand better on the long run. Of course it has to be done with good taste but it has to be done with a more contemporary approach too or the client pool will shrink.
I think the 5131P is great version and will appeal to people who really want it.
If you finally decide to go for it, I feel it will go to someone who understands that watch and who is in line with it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Best, Mark
Patek Philippe 5131P - The "Ice King" is born
The 5131P marks the conclusion of the four metal assemblage. Over the last 8-9 years we have seen white, yellow and rose gold. Basel saw the release of the platinum version. Enamel dial world times are very special pieces for Patek Philippe. They have a r...
Perfect analysis.............The problem dear Baron is getting one...... I have a lousy job..... so not holding much hope :(
But you nailed the watch perfectly best imran ...
Ah, those wristshots are superb!
Now I'm also totally convinced, what a fantastic effort from PP!!! CC
Thank you for the shots: fantastic piece!
For some reason the the Pole view looks much more realistic, much more like a map than the well known first two views.
You old romantic you.
You\'ve just made love to a 5131p with words. I get what you say Joe and think it will be a classic for sure but a classic I could strap on to my wrist and make my heart skip each time I looked at it???? Not so sure. I think with a beautiful light grey/ w...
I needed to understand it....
.....but i see it as pushing the envelope on the 5131 reference. And for that reason, I fell for it.
ok...when you buy as 5230, is there a choice to put it on a bracelet?
I see the watch as pushing an extreme.....and I like it. Maybe it reflects a little on my own personality, but when i finally looked at it for what i see it for...I fell.
ownership is a completely different matter....
.....i am just looking at the watch and giving a view of my impression. Yes....you guess right...i do like it a lot.
In the start of the life of a reference, Patek is hesitant to make changes.
But after two years or so after the introduction, it's easier to get the changes through. Best, Kari
I guess they try.
The problem is that within 1,000 clients there are 999 different opinions. Best Kari
Lovely review Baron!
But I tried this watch on yesterday and its weight suggests it is only wearable occasionally. On a long haul flight, it might no be the best option as it might exceed the hand baggage weight limit! Lovely dial, I really like the snow on it
Couldn't agree more.
On this one the platinum bracelet seems to be a perfect match for the dial. A great surprise.
To me the issue with the bracelet is the weight
Plain and simple, platinum watches with platinum braces are like strapping a brick to your wrist. I understand the poetic reason for including the bracelet and you expand on that nicely. So I like it in theory. When it comes to the reality however, not gi...
I understand the weight issue.....
.....but again I think that is all a part of the extreme nature of the design. I think it is an edge that is pushed. Truly, I get the fact that it is heavy...very heavy. But I am not sure that detracts from the concept of what the watch actually is...in f...
If you could only have one 5131 would it be this one???
Simple With the exception of 5970\'s and 5070\'s i have always been very strict with my collection and have never had two watches with the same model number. Now at times this has been difficult but that\'s what worked for me. So no same Rolex or Patek mo...
Another issue is -- the bracelet itself
It is simply not the same level of artistry and flair that this watch deserves. See the old 5107g bracelet design, would have been perfect here. Instead they use the same rice bracelet they put on the 5146 bracelet for example. This combo -- uninspiring b...
I was supposed to write my post tonight
but why to bother? You said it all. During the winters I spend a lot of time in the arctic - it is my home or at least one of those. Anyhow, my heart is always in Lapland and the new 5131P is full of the spirit of the arctic part of the world. I did not l...
Joe, you convinced me of two things.
1/ The watch is made for you. Obviously, you are in love with that 5131P, and that is so good to see you feel so. 2/ This watch is not made for me. I totally get your point about the bracelet, you made it with a lot of eloquence I must say. Still, I wonde...
I think that, especially when Patek is considered,
people would like to see what they want. This is natural but, aside from the fact it would be difficult to satisfy everyone, I don't think the way to success is to follow what people want but what they think their future offer should be. You made a clear ...
Hi Baron, you made an excellent post , expressing very romantically why the bracelet was needed to make the watch whole ! IMO you are the ...
Shakespeare of interpreting this wonderful reference ! What a great post ! When Patek reads your post, I think they will hire you as their CSMO (Chief Strategic Marketing Officer) ! What you have written is at least as good if not better than the Patek sl...
A great post, and excellent replies too.
My particular chuckle is the irony that the two places on earth where time-zones don\'t matter are....the poles. Beyond that, and fully appreciate the aesthetics, it is a bit like a pilot watch made of WG - this is a "travel" watch, but the bracelet just ...
I was taken by it instantly and said straight away: stunning piece
I also fo find the bracelet fitting and generally a fitting bracelet to all Pateks. Nico finds it "silly", but I diseagree strongly. The North Pole view is a first and firsts are always a good sogn for collectibility. I like if, knowing that it will be ou...
Strange.....
I feel that it is precisely because it is out of the ordinary that it\'s not immediately understood and accepted. Outdated would be one of the last adjectives that would come to my mind. Vive la difference.
You said silly! In context with the 5960 A1 and change to a leather strap.
Or was it a certain carbon strap you found ... ?
I agree and disagree with Nicolas. The 5960 A1 bracelet is somewhat silly as its design doesn´t match with the sporty character of that watch. But in my mind the bracelet of the 5131P
must be regarded in a completely different way. Here, imho, it is matching very well with the watch. I see the 5131P not only as a watch but also as a statement of Patek: Look what we are able to do as craftsmen and what we are standing for! The best of t...
In fact we are discussing about subjective point of views
The thing is that I think I understand Nicolas as the bracelet is similar in design to the ones we knew in France in the 1980's. The problem is that this style hasn't aged well where we are. However, people from different regions, even still from western ...
Of course all the statements here are given from the subjective point of view of each poster, Mark. I like it a lot here at PP Purists because I get so much valuable input from many individual different
perspectives. I highly apprecciate all the well-thought-out opinions of the members here. And for sure, Mark, an absolute truth does not exist in this world, lol.
ice king
amazing summary of an incredibly beautiful piece Joe. I sincerely hope to see you add one in your collection soon, would be great to see it belong with someone who feels this strongly for it.
Thank you Joe for a truly extraordinary review of the "icy cool" 5131 platinum!
It would be hard to imagine a more eloquently stated, detailed, passionate and convincing argument that the 5131 1/P is the most alluring and important of the four 5131 references. Yes, the bracelet might be somewhat controversial but it should not be for...
Indeed.....thank you
Loving it is one thing....getting might be quite a different proposition!
Great analysis but....
my heart stays with the R and J. The warm metals and strap make the 5131 for me. My 2 cents
and that is 100% how it should be.....
......each watch resonates with its owner in a very unique way...it shouldn't be any other way
I ma not a big fan of the WT and am not drawn to this piece - prefaced by saying I have not seen to IRL
reports are generally to the contrary and almost all have only positive things to say once they have seen it So maybe if ai get invited to the road show and see it I might change my mind I love the enamelled map but am not sure that the bracelet adds much...
WT....
.....5030P was the second Patek Philippe that I bought. After that, it has slowly grown and grown. I think, when I look at my collection, I feel teh WTs add something that no other watch does. There is just something aboutr a WT that draws me in. Its not ...
Cloisonne pieces are remarkable
It's literally impossible to appreciate the beauty of the cloisonné dials from the artist renderings on the website. Even to the naked eye it's tough to absorb how incredible the artwork truly is. Really, ... you have to see it with a magnifying glass. Th...
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Truly understand your points Baron and thank you for the lovely read. To me, the sum of all the 'parts' for the 5131P, i.e. the choice of showcasing the north pole to a world time dial, the dial design itself, the metal, the bracelet et cetera; adds to th...
no right or wrong......
......we all see watches in a unique perspective. Indeed, each watch has a specifically unique resonance with its specific owner. For me, I am in harmony with the 5131P. Niciolas is not.... but that is also right for him. He did say, however, that on a st...
There is no weight issue as yes lighter than my 5711P 40th and I FI TT even notice it on my wrist.
When I get mine (lol) I am taking the bracelet off abd putt g in a strap. Simple solution and not worth the angst
Perfection!
Thank you for the review. In my opinion the bracelet is absolutely necessary to cap-off the collection of metals. It provides an extra degree of distinction that the platinum version of the reference deserves.