FabR
[Senior Patek Moderator]
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I have to be honest and I loved your (OTHER) joke, which I forwarded to all my friends and ADs! ;-)))
Patek's newest Grand Complication --- Reference 5470P --- is LIVE!
Dear Friends, it's with great pleasure that today we can announce the latest, remarkable Grand Complication created by Patek Philippe --- Ref. 5470P in Platinum, as part of the regular catalog! You can soon find all the information on this new marvel also...
Great review, many thanks,
Not really a successor to the 5370 since it’s not a Rattrapante, more another complication option.
Today i'd be running to FPJ to reserve theirs. The best finishing work in the industry imho.
Alas, I missed out on the just-released Czapek split-second, that is a truly amazing timepiece!
If I may say it is more of avant garde complement to 5370 pure rattrapante
Though Blue is Beautiful and contemporary. Personally Black and White or Salmon 😍would be my preference. For Professor I would modify the blue into something eclectic yet definable , perhaps panda style of Amalfi - Turqoise?
It will go well for people who wear Kiton clothing.
Kiton clothing often has red accents. This watch has so many red accents!
My favorite pants...
Wool flannel pants! If you haven't discovered them yet, they're lovely. But you've probably been aware of them much longer than I have been! Mine are in a five pocket layout and I sleep in them on the airplane!
Love Isaia as well!
I actually own the same shirt you posted @fabr. The one on the left. Their sport coats in particular I love!
The life of a Patek Philippe Moderator...
It's champagne, champagne, and very fine shirts!
Wow! That does make sense logically!
Now I'm the type after a dinner drink, I take a nap in the middle of after-dinner-movie time. And I wake up in the middle and ask anybody around me, "what happened while I was asleep." It's gotten my friends so annoyed that now they tell me to drink only ...
Nice to my skin, but not nice to my wallet...
Gotta balance things out sometimes! But I have to stop buying pants really. I've got eight or so Kiton pants, some of which I haven't worn in two years! Another two Pescarolo pants that I've never worn ever. And probably a few more underutilized pants!
Pretty good deals since covid...
I got too fat during covid, but I noticed a lot of very good deals on Kiton, Isaia, Attolini, etc... ever since COVID kicked off.
I can't gain too much weight!
Yes! Lots of good clothing deals! If I gain too much weight, I won't ever fit into those pants that I've never even worn once! The trainer beat me into submission today. But core exercises doesn't really reduce weight... Gotta exercise more and eat less! ...
Next time you go to the store...
The next time you go to the store, pay attention to the buttonholes. You'll see they're individually made and hand stitched. Each buttonhole takes around 4-5 minutes for a professional to complete! The ISAIA shirts really are quite special!
Whoa, who makes the shoes? Bontoni?
I've always been a John Lobb guy myself. But I have to admit, the Italians have a bit more flamboyance!
The aubergine pants are incredible as well...
I like pinstripes. Pinstripes just work on me. And I see you use the "Berluti" knot.
a dream piece
... perfection... but not for my thin wallet unfortunately... but this is one of the best things I have seen from PP in a long time! Well done!
i have absolutely no doubts there will be more coming this year....
very exciting indeed!
My wallet is a bit too thin too!
Although honestly, if you have a high limit credit card, that's probably all you need.
Ahh! We can have a lot to talk about, like what are the best cards!
And yes, I always pay my credit card in full. But I tell people to get mortgages and auto loans since the rates are low and the economic inflation is high, so they're likely going to repay with inflated money later.
Ahh!
My fanciest credit card was made out of solid metal. It weighed 28 grams! Made a big clang if you dropped it on the floor. Unfortunately, the card recently expired and they mailed me a plastic replacement! That's not very fun!
Just read it. So 2% to 3% cash back, but only when redeemed at certain partners.
It's interesting. 4% as a referral bonus. Hmm. Interesting!
Yep, but the thing I like the most is the large credit limit (they claim to look at income much more than credit scores, and they'll make you a precise offer with a soft pull only, which is great ;-)
The issue with the partners is you'll have to pay off the *entire* charge with points, and so you might have trust to leave many points in there ;-) But redeemed as cash back is 0.7%, which makes it effectively a 2.1% cash back card if you charge on it $1...
Fidelity is already 2% and no minimum spend required.
This card is cool, but kind of complex.
That's right, though I don't have a Fidelity card (I occasionally open and close their Cash Management account but never got a bonus offer yet...). The best flat cash back card for me, if we don't consider some of the geofenced, is probably SoFi...
All free (including no FTFs which is always my first requirement! ;-)) and now it's also become a real bank, with some excellent savings and checking accounts at 1.25%.... Hope it's sustainable, but they are backed by some great investors so it might be! ...
I don't want to divulge too much on here, but this is a credit card that I would need...
Introducing the WatchProSite Luxury Big Spender credit card. 5 points rewards at watch and jewelry retailers including Airport Duty Free purchases. A stainless steel Daytona allocation once you spend X amount in a calendar year (resets every calendar year...
You won’t believe it but this week (maybe today!) I’m also expecting their OTHER credit card in the mail!! (I thought it was only one hard pull but it was two, apparently from two different departments at GS! Ha! ;-)
So with Apple, GM and then WPS I’d be at 3 out of 3 with Goldman Sachs….a dream for any real collector!😂😂😉
Gee! That's a lot of credit cards in a short period of time!
The credit bureau is probably wondering what's going on! You're going to be on their "naughty boy list" soon!
Ahh, yeah, but if you buy something online, do you get 1% or 2%?
I suppose you get 2% if the online merchant takes Apple Pay?
I wouldn't think you can use Apple Pay online, the way it's meant to be is in person by tapping on your phone... Apple card will in fact give you an actual card number to use otherwise.
I can see they say this explicitly in the app, "Use this card number online, over the phone, and anywhere Apple Pay is not available"....so it looks like it's always a 1% online ;-)
However, in the video, the 1/10th second chrono hand is said to be derived from the rattrapante mechanism.
Hence you may say it’s a variant of rattrapante? An interesting question will be which one do you prefer, 5370P or 5470P if one would upgrade from a conventional manual winding chronograph
Very unexpected
Generally not a big fan purely based on looks but this is very different and very attractive. Keep the updates coming
You mean it should have been on the bezel instead, like the Zenith Chronomaster Sport?
Kidding aside, I agree. Why clutter the dial with terms/specs the owner already knows? It's like having a badge on a Range Rover proclaiming "Panoramic Moonroof" 🙈
Fab This is brilliant
Thanks so much for sharing this with us so quickly This is really a horological masterpiece from the epitome of watch making brands Julian
I’m struggling.
Technically brilliant no doubt about that. Aesthetically I’m still processing its sporty feel with the red trim. As many of you know the lume will also always remain a problem for me on such a complication. Is this the future of Patek complications???? Th...
Thanks for your input Miles -- I'm frankly loving the more modern (and yes, also a tad colorful) aesthetics of this piece, *given that* its technical value is established and already amazing! ;-)
But of course we are in the realm of subjectivity here, so I totally respect your take on this new reference I believe, however, that we should expect this type of modern Patek references more and more going forward, also in the sense of aesthetically les...
Absolutely agree my friend.
You are correct that this is the path that Patek has chosen. I am almost an old fossil even at my age of 50 compared to the new money, younger collector which lets be honest is where the future is. Myself and other collectors who yearn for the good old da...
Look at the Price 😂😂😂
The Patek Philippe REf. 5470P has a retail price of CHF 380,000.
It is stunning
And yes, PP have started the sportification in aesthetics, of the calatrava, complications and now grand complications line of watches. I like it. As for the price, well in a world where people pay 200K for a Naitilus or Aquanaut, why not? Cheers!
Wow - very impressive (and different for PP)
Definitely a more modern look than the classical PP chrono. Part of me does wonder how many people actually need to measure to the 1/10 of a second, particularly given the imprecision necessarily built into manually engaging the chrono function, but I sup...
I really like the case design of this one
The navy blue and red also look quite appalling to me. Almost red, white, and blue for our American friends. I’m not quite convinced by the 1/10th second complication but I haven’t read all the technical material. Overall a very handsome watch!
Technically very cool
But I don't like the wiring on the dial or that strap. I'm sure that's irrelevant since I'd likely need to sell my house to buy 😁
that looks great! well done, Patek
cant afford one but now I have an idea for a strap for my 5960A black dial Thank you for bringing us the news, my friend.
In terms of Design, I really have impression that
Patek is caring a lot about the “new generation” of collectors with modern looks, colors and dial textures. I don’t know what will be the outcome of this, but IMO they are doing a good strategy as they still keep the “classic” Patek. Do you also have an i...
Thanks for the wright up Fab
Beautiful time piece. Too bad it’s so expensive. These watches are becoming so expensive only kings and queens can afford them. Still fun to read about and look at. Hope you have a good day
Really nice looking chronograph, but what bothers me is this 1/10s mention.
Especially since the press releases mentions "measurement". Physics and measurements are strictly defined and a 5Hz can only allow you to measure 2.5Hz (Shannon Nyquist). And that would be the measure for 0.4 seconds not 0.1 or 2/5th of a second. That's p...
Hi, Steyr, could you elaborate a bit more on the correlation between Hz and smallest measurable unit of time?
A 5 Hz movement means there are ten vibrations/ swing of balance wheel) per second. Each swing will allow the escape wheel to move the gear train for one step, ie the gear train will progress by ten increments in each second. Therefore this movement shoul...
Well, this is pure application of physics law from Shannon-Nyquist. It is usually taught around 9th grade
This is related to discretization (going from one analog event to a numerated result). That is, for instance, the reason why CDs are sampled at ~44KHz while the ear is limited to ~22KHz. You need a reference that is twice faster than the measurement instr...
Thanks for your input, Steyr! I'll obviously be surprised if Patek (or other brands) didn't also get the physics VERY right along with the rest of the research, but I humbly do not have your technical expertise in this area (PhD in pure Math here! ;-))
Thanks for your contribution, and I'll be very interested if other members with expertise in this area will have more to say Enjoy.
No need for PhD, just count the black lines
...9 lines in between two same-colored lines, you multiply with the oscillation duration and you get the measured value. If all measured values equal 1.8s (9 black lines=9 osc.x 0.2s) while events durations are from 1.62 to 1.98, this means that this watc...
Thank you for your extensive elaboration, Steyr.
That’s the first time for me to encounter the Nyquist-Shannon Theorem. Fortunately I didn’t have to know this in my GCSE additional math examination and med school MBBS exam After reading your illustration and doing some online homework, I think what you ...
I believe Nyquist-Shannon is not applicable here, as that context implies "measurement" being sampling and reproducing frequency data
The context of "measurement" in Nyquist-Shannon theory is applicable if you're using a sampling signal, and want to perfectly recreate the sampled signal. If you have an audio track going up to 22kHz (ignoring any higher freqs), measuring the amplitude of...
Make it in steel and get back to me : )
...but to afford it I'd have to have my wife get a second job (checks want ads)...
At this price point it's not a matter of money...
...or cheaper. I'd like the metal to be a bit tougher and the watch to be lighter. And we all know that SS Patek's have a certain mystique : )
I have already handled hand-wound monopusher chronographs who measured 1/1000th of a second
So I am not sure about this technical fuzz here with this watch... Attractive yes, but overpriced imho. Thxs for showing and explaining!
Stunning!!!
I love the sporty look of the use of red across the dial, hand, and inscription. The subtle grain of the face, the curves of the lugs leaving the case, the design pattern of the strap, and that movement!!!
I think they go the Lange way here.
A 1/10th of a second watch from Patek is ... not realy Pateklike. And to place that property on the dial is cheap, sorry. Also, all the effort to fix an (unneeded) task/problem with such amount of engineering is the Lange way, something Lange is known for...
what if the property is not red? or Black and Red instead of Blue and Red?
IMHO PP is responding to the challenge from the (AP, VC, ALS) as well attack of The independents. At the same time PP also tries to be avant garde in its design language (colors etc) including showoff styling/street style detail (Late Virgil Abloh etc) Pe...
very correct "solution for a problem no one asked for"
Thank you skyeriding Its PP, they believe they can do anything at the top.😁
Some more thoughts ...
Patek is possibly creating more variants of its base movement (a considerable part ist still the chrono movement) in order to exploit it furher. Nothing wrong with that, but a 1/10th chrono is associated with a sporty brand, that Patek is not. Maybe it is...
Personally, I don't feel the issue is the attempt itself at a 1/10th second chrono
Rather, it is the convoluted approach to stack the 1/10th second chrono hand coaxially on top of the regular chronograph seconds. I don't see the usability/value out of it - as some others have pointed out, after a complete revolution of 12 seconds, the u...
Just a quick response for the moment, but maybe I misunderstand something here.
My understanding is that multiples of 12 seconds are redundant, nothing of interest. The central regular, rhodinated second hand counts the seconds as usually, up to 60 seconds, than the minute counter jumps. The red laquared hand counts at the same time ...
Sounds about correct
The red 12s chronograph hand (1/10th second) simply spins five times faster than the regular chronograph 60s hand. They are effectively tied together in all start/stop/reset functionality - one can be forgiven to think at first glance "why not just gear t...
Sorry, but why has the red hand got less value after 12 sec?
It has constantly the value to show 1/10th during all operation time, also after 12 sec. Are you refering to the point that within 12 sec you can read the full and the 1/10th sec with the red hand only? Than the regular rhodinated, central second hand wou...
I'd like to think of the red hand as giving a direct reading up to 12s, using the hour indices
For example, I can read off "8.3 seconds" directly from the scale using the red hand. But if I measure 15.3s, the red hand points to 3.3s and I have to mentally add 12s to it. Or, I read off the regular Rh plated hand of 15s and add the 0.3s from the red ...
I would read this like Patek intended to do.
Still, it has got the "comfort" of all information in the center. Speaking of the Zenith: as Zenith's five graduations of each second on the dial of their standard chronos is correct with the beat ratio, it makes any additional effort to display 1/10th re...
the magical charm of PP is undeniable
IMHO the price is marketable simply because it is the only watch with such unique complication in the market. Is the money reasonable? Hmmm. Could it be better spent on other watch ? Quite likely. On the other this fun hobby is sometimes mindless all pass...
A WANT, FORTUNATELY NOT A NEED
A beautiful watch to own and take pleasure in wearing.
As someone whose academic work consists entirely of solving abstract/useless problems, I fully agree that what makes this watch impressive are its technical achievements (combined in my view with its aesthetics, though this is of course subjective)...
For sure, nobody (outside of a Centurionone meme) will likely ever use this complication during their daily routine. But while, similarly to many other fascinating research accomplishments, this is admittedly a "solution to a problem nobody asked for".......
On "spectacular" we can agree!😀
Having thought a bit more about this one, I must say the central display of second and 1/10th is fascinating.
Thanks for announcing this piece which to me has a refreshing
sporty look 👀 ! The red needle and red markers accentuate the vanished blue dial well. The “fabric” pattern of the strap reminds me of the 6007 LE, and gives the watch a “younger” feel ! Technically the 1/10 second measurement is an interesting developmen...
A true masterpiece! One that proves again that Patek is unbeatable form esthetics, design, technical innovation and finishing!
This is the ”Who’s your daddy now?” piece...😜 I watched the presentation twice and it’s just eye watering beautiful(the price as well)! This again set the standard for the watchword and silenced those who questioned the knowhow of Patek. Thank you my frie...
Ooff that’s a stunner. I’m nitpicking for perfection here
But would have preferred the 1/10th second not on the dial. If you know you know. The strap not sure would have to see it. I know traditional Patek watches are moving to sporty looking watches that were traditionally more elegant to attract younger client...
Many thanks Edward for your typically valuable feedback! As we were discussing earlier, I think there is no doubt we've been witnessing a more casual/modern approach to many of the models that recently joined Patek's catalog...
This is a new direction that I personally enjoy a lot, *given that* the newer offering continues to honor Patek's unique tradition, while being consistently executed at the highest technical levels. But it's equally important in my view to, along the way,...
BRAVO FAB !!!
As much as quality finishing, and technological inovation are of premier importance to the brand, it must be considered that a large segment of the present (ruling) generation has a more progressive, less formal fashion sense…Design and style is totally s...
Wrist Balance? What's The Weight Of The Head?
Was chatting with a friend, and he brought up wrist balance. While i'm surprised that for the price both bracelet and strap were not included, with only a strap on offer, wrist balance could be a concern for such a large/thick timepiece. Does anyone know ...
Since it uses the 5370 base movement and case
I guess it wears exactly like the 5370P - so pretty perfect.
A magical watch...
and frankly a magical read on this thread. So much knowledge to digest...
I would have hoped that they would have kept enamel at
This price point as lacquer smells of price houge
Thanks Fab for presenting and helping us to understand and appreciate this highly complicated, innovative and unprecedented super
complication piece from Patek. An extraordinary complication. Blending classic styling with a modern sensibility it should appeal to a broad cross section of collectors/aficionados. I love the blue/red/white color scheme and strap choice. Will I find it a...