You can take your ear plugs out now and put your pin away.

Oct 11, 2012,22:21 PM
 

A bubble has not burst, and isn't going to do so anytime soon...  if ever.

But there has been a distribution change from Panerai which has created negative energy in the Panerai collecting community.

As Panerai opens Boutiques, and ends relationships with authorized dealers that helped them build the brand, some long time collectors feel shunned by the brand. They feel bad for their AD and for themselves.

Many collectors have built relationships with their AD's by buying watches regularly in an effort to remain high on the AD's list for special edition distribution. These collectors have built some extensive collections of watches to say the least. Many enjoyed the special attention they received from their AD, as well as their prized watch collections.

That same collector now has to buy a watch from a Boutique, where they have no relationship and often have to deal long distance. They have now been passed over from getting several special editions as they are now near the bottom of the list (or so it seems).

They didn't get the PAM 382 Bronzo, but 6 months later they got a call from the Boutique that they can have a PAM 372, after 3500 had already been distributed, so they now feel like throwing in the towel.

Honestly, I don't blame them. It is tough to go from top dog to the dog house.

As a collector and seller of Panerai watches, I think I have a pretty good feel for the market.

I have had a few collectors ask me to move some of their timepieces, but not their favorite ones. They are "venting" but not jumping ship. And these few collectors are still checking out this Panerai discussion forums and others. They are upset with their new position in the pecking order, but they are still passionate about the brand. I know this because they are still calling me weekly to discuss Panerai watches.

Yes, they are trying some other watch brands too, but my experience shows they always come back to Panerai. One collector recently told me his Panerai held their value through the recession as well if not better than his Rolex and Patek watches ( I know, value is only part of the equation).  Also, he said he made too many Panerai friends to walk away now.

You are correct when you stated $6000 watches are selling at a very slow rate. My opinion is that is a sign of the slumping world wide economy.  Collectors that buy watches in that price range have less expendable funds than the collector that buys 25-100k watches. Almost every collector is buying a price point down, or selling one piece before they buy another.  I promise you, I am getting calls every week from people that have just discovered the brand.

Also, I work with 4 other brands rather extensively and Panerai is out preforming all of them. It is still top dog in my small arsenal of inventory.

Personally, I don't like what Panerai is doing with the AD/Boutique remarketing scheme. But Bonati is a marketing genius. He has something up his sleeve (other than a Panerai watch) and I am confident he will make it work. Second, Panerai has a following unlike any other brand. It is a brotherhood and I don't think this community will abandon the brand. Last, the dynamics of military history and Italian design/styling, that is second to none, are truly captivating. 

The best brand will have highs and lows, but that doesn't mean it was built on a bubble.  I think Panerai just has too much going for it to pop.

Thanks,
Bruce
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PANERAI SALES AS THE BUBBLE BURSTS

 
 By: steventarmac : October 10th, 2012-11:02
Are the once panerai watch mad public buying other brands,, i have been watching lots of uk dealer web sites and panerais over 6k dont seem to sell as the bubble burst??? Rolex ap patek ,,and the like have no thouble selling there high end stock

WHAT DID YOU SAY?

 
 By: TheMadDruid : February 27th, 2019-09:21
I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Gerard is coming back to captain the Reds for the last three games.

 
 By: TheMadDruid : February 27th, 2019-16:45
We'll see if you're still smiling then!

Please don't type in all BIG CAPS. On the internet, it's the equivalent of shouting

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : October 11th, 2012-20:30
I don't think Panerai has that much trouble selling models over $6k. Heck, practically almost all the watches posted here that people have gotten recently are well over $6k. Cheers, Anthony

You can take your ear plugs out now and put your pin away.

 
 By: Watches24seven : October 11th, 2012-22:21
A bubble has not burst, and isn't going to do so anytime soon... if ever. But there has been a distribution change from Panerai which has created negative energy in the Panerai collecting community. As Panerai opens Boutiques, and ends relationships with ... 

Also a genius can make a mistake ....

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : October 12th, 2012-01:18
Bruce, I agree on almost everything you said! And I'm one of those who hate the fact that panerai is selling some LE only via their own boutiques. I HATE IT The reasons why?, well you explained them in your post. I don't have a big collection but I do hav... 

Thanks for responding to my post. You make some great points.

 
 By: Watches24seven : October 12th, 2012-11:33
I think we both feel the same way. Part of the new equation is that they are asking "some" AD's to be their partners and open a boutique for them. I don't know the details of this type of relationship. But your points are well taken. Only time will tell! ... 

Some have already suffered, and we are expensively watching...

 
 By: PoyFR : October 14th, 2012-02:13
Some ADs 'partners' have already been burnt this way, doing all what was needed but solely benefiting the brand(s) and only helping developing regions and new to come in-house boutiques. This industry like all businesses is only about business. We are the... 

PERFECTLY put, POY. We also have our part of responsability.

 
 By: amanico : October 14th, 2012-02:18
What the brands would do if we don't go to the Boutiques anymore,, because we had an excellent relation with our ADs? I don't like the way it goes, too... As for service or repairs costs, this is another nightmare which would justify a dedicated thread...... 

I agree with you Bruce.

 
 By: HWF : October 12th, 2012-01:38
Not surprisingly, you are insightful and correct! And the dynamics of the AD versus the boutiques have yet to play out fully, however the tensions you describe are definitely there across several brands now, and clearly manifested in the Panerai special e... 

The Boutique Only problem is an issue .....

 
 By: Chrisfrombyron : October 12th, 2012-03:19
Especially for countries where there is no Boutique , because Boutiques will ( quite understandably ) give preference to their local/regular customers . So for Panerai enthusiasts who live in these Non Boutique countries , they are caught between a rock a... 

Glad you joined the Club!

 
 By: Watches24seven : October 15th, 2012-15:53
Hatem, I know you will enjoy your Panerai watches as well as collecting them! Have Fun! Bruce

Bonati

 
 By: amnaggar : October 21st, 2012-04:07
I think he realizes the image the brand is veering towards... Mass market availability, so to speak.. Good for sales, but dangerous in that it takes the brand image in an undesirable direction for any brand worth its cents.

Not even close.....

 
 By: sergio : October 12th, 2012-03:28
firstly, there are very few Panerai models that go below the 6K costs, these days. Secondly, Panerai has been a brand in transition, for a while. The need to create a wider customer's base has driven the brand away from the...grassroot aficionados..(the o... 

At last sensible responses thanks guys

 
 By: steventarmac : October 12th, 2012-09:46
like to thank bruce and the guys for there excellent feedback,, makes a lot of sense we are having the same thouble in uk ,,panerai closeing down dealerships for little or no reason to open more dealership in the far east,, So im told,,,Plus reply to anth... 

No such problems over in Asia, at least for SG and China.

 
 By: patrickmaniac : October 12th, 2012-09:43
Still selling well whatever OP dishes out esp the SE, LE. some bridges burnt but new ones are formed by new cliente. Net net not much loss to OP. My 2 cents. cheers PAt

really? I just have one of my staff looking to buy and nobody has stock!!

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 15th, 2012-19:10
i assume 6k is in sterling, since you mentioned UK websites etc. i have certain views of the brand, and they are moving in a direction that I think is broadly right. the move to own boutiques mentioned by others has also reduced the rampant AD "insider tr... 

my observations

 
 By: fitz : October 21st, 2012-23:37
i have no scientific data to give, just personal experience.. 4 years ago i went to a very exclusive and famous AD in san francisco. i was trying to find a 005 or 88. the guys didn't have 1 single model in the store. not one! the gentleman also told me th... 

I agreed with sergio4 views…..

 
 By: yeo kim choy : October 22nd, 2012-05:40
In their urge to increase sales and create wider customer’s base…..Panerai make a mistake by cloning the old models too much The first, I remembered was the 26K Destro – 26B …..and the flood gates open…. 372 – 127 424,448 – 249 390 – in my opinion, kill a... 

I agree....

 
 By: sergio : February 27th, 2019-06:42
7 years later and the tear from the grass root has become a chasm (as predicted). The brand, however, has grown by leaps and bounds. Dott Bonati achieved his goal to wrestle away the Panerai's brand, from the few "high priests" and take it out of the cata... 

Your points are very valid.

 
 By: Bill : February 27th, 2019-08:00
The brand grew up from a teenager to a man. Now we can enjoy the next chapter.

I personally prefer it this way

 
 By: logan2z : February 27th, 2019-09:17
If I want a particular model I can typically go to an AD and buy one. I don't have to be put on a wait list or hope that Tom Cruise doesn't beat me to the punch My only complaint is that Panerai has strayed from it's roots a bit more than I'd like (spring... 

I also like what Panerai....

 
 By: sergio : February 27th, 2019-12:02
did to leave all the speculators...off-side. Because that was the issue. A particular model would be bought by an A.D./Flipper with the right connections at price-list and seconds later...flipped...for twice/three time the price. In all this, Panerai was ...