Cozmopak
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There’s no doubt that I would jump at the opportunity to acquire a reference 2. Such lovely watches
Jun 17, 2021,15:17 PM
And yes, I’ve read about Pratts contributions toward the coaxial escapement. And that Daniels never properly acknowledged that contribution
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Roger Smith
By: Cozmopak : June 13th, 2021-18:55
I’m considering placing my name on the list for one of Rogers’ watches, specifically for the series 2. The wait now is many years. And the price is very significant, but these aren’t getting cheaper. I’d like to canvas the group and hear some opinions. I ...
A Smith watch is 'the one that got away' for me...
By: mdg : June 13th, 2021-19:00
...but only because, even thought they were not too expensive in the early days, I was also really poor back then. And now they are just too much money for me. My only nitpick is they seem far too thick for what I consider a dress watch. If you love it an...
Yes, they are thick watches
By: Cozmopak : June 14th, 2021-16:19
But I like thicker watches. They feel more permanent and three-dimensional. So that is not one of my concerns.
It’s really a sh*t load of money……….
By: Mr.Gatsby : June 13th, 2021-19:03
If money isn’t a concern I say go for it. But I can think of several ways to that spend that sum. Best Gatsby
Yes, it really is
By: Cozmopak : June 13th, 2021-19:06
However, the direct price from the workshop is still significantly lower than preowned secondary prices
So this is what I truly think
By: Mr.Gatsby : June 13th, 2021-21:00
I would analyze the question as such: 1. Firstly, where does the RWS fit in the collection ? Is this the end ? 2. Secondly. What other high-end pieces are you chasing ? In comparison to the RWS, which would you rather have to maximize your own utility and...
It’s a lot of money
By: Cozmopak : June 13th, 2021-21:10
And requires considered thought. It would knock me out of the game for five years
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By: Mikesr : June 13th, 2021-20:18
How old are you ? Lol 😂 I can’t go on the list I’m 68. Lol
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By: Cozmopak : June 13th, 2021-20:24
It’s a 5 year wait
Hello Cosomopak
By: GreatPilot@me.com : June 13th, 2021-21:26
I recently bought a RWS series 2 used and have ordered a series 4 from Mr. Smith so I am a fan. Opposite most decisions in my life, value has less to do with my passion for RWS than the unique experience of owning something really, really special and a pa...
Thank you, Jim.
By: Cozmopak : June 13th, 2021-21:41
I really appreciate your insights. Your series 2 is stunning, and so close to the one that I would want for myself
Thanks Jim, it's nice to have your perspective, however,
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : June 14th, 2021-02:53
I don't think it's appropriate to dismiss the views of members of our community as "jealousy" simply because they are different than your own. That's not respectful, nor does it really fit anyone's post here, unless you'd care to be more specific. I think...
HI Spangles thanks for your comments, dully noted
By: GreatPilot@me.com : June 14th, 2021-15:10
I may have bee too strong when I said “Jealously” however I also wrote “no offense intended to anyone”. I certainly was not being accusatory to anyone but stating something I believe is part of life even if we don’t like to admit it…Hopefully the author o...
I’m clueless so take it with a grain of salt 😅
By: Clueless_Collector : June 13th, 2021-22:17
The look of RWS just doesn’t appeal to me…sorry I know there is a lot of exquisite work inside and some will say “only the owner know” or “if you know, you know”. I see Breguet having similar looks and textures. I think if you’re looking for the next PD, ...
Totally fair opinion.
By: Cozmopak : June 13th, 2021-22:28
The fear that a watch won’t be able to be serviced if a brand or watchmaker ceases to exist, however, is a fear that I don’t share, although it is commonly cited. Mechanical watches are only increasing in popularity, and there will always be someone capab...
Yes it can be fixed, no doubt…
By: Clueless_Collector : June 13th, 2021-22:33
But by who would you feel comfortable with handling your RWS to…PD, GF, RG, KV, FPJ personally or any watchmaker?
I've certainly pondered
By: matto1 : June 14th, 2021-00:49
the ultimate current independent expression for a time-only watch. For me, it comes down to KV and/or RS.
Definitely order it!
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : June 14th, 2021-00:54
But, before doing so, consider the width of the watch in terms of wearability. It's not going under a shirt sleeve! Maybe wear around a modern Omega chrono to practice! Clearly, not a problem unless it's not well considered and then it may be a problem. I...
Oh, one other thing:
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : June 14th, 2021-03:03
Roger doesn't use a Breguet overcoil on his hairsprings for best isochronism. I have spoken with Brandon1 about it and we can't figure out why, given concern for thickness clearly isn't the issue. It's something missing on a few high-end watches and watch...
You need to ask yourself
By: sham1 : June 14th, 2021-01:55
what are your priorities when buying a high end watch. For me if I had to rate my top five, it would be beauty of the dial, size (I have a small wrist so the case diameter and the lug length are crucial),quality of the finish (case, dial and movement), re...
My two dogecoin on this matter below.
By: Rosneathian : June 14th, 2021-02:34
I don’t have the purchasing power of some on this forum. That doesn’t mean I forego historical significance or provenance when I rummage around for nice watches. On the contrary, I couple my interest in both qualities with a search for value. Lo and behol...
Excellent post.
By: Cozmopak : June 14th, 2021-02:53
Thank you for sharing. I’m also a huge fan of the Pratt era UJS watches, and on more than one occasion almost acquired one. They are certainly being discovered by the general collector community. I think that a lot of the value of the Smith watch is its r...
Very well explained.
By: Watchcph : June 16th, 2021-20:36
I also recently acquired an UJ. A ref. 2 from the early 90's. Simply the most beautiful dial, hands and case. There is just something "fine" and elaborate in these pieces that current UJ pieces don't have. I consider Derek a notch above Daniels in terms o...
Many consider Pratt a more accomplished watchmaker than Daniels
By: Cozmopak : June 17th, 2021-03:45
But the reason that Pratt hasn’t achieved the same level of recognition, I think, is that he never created a wristwatch with his own movement within his lifetime. Plenty of pocket watches though. His work at UJ was largely using Frederic Piguet movements,...
Yes, I think so too.
By: Watchcph : June 17th, 2021-08:22
He passed away too soon. His accomplishments with the H4, his double wheel remontoire tourbillion and his work together with Peter Baumberger are amazing, but not much made under his name, so largely incognito in the wider watch population. It is interest...
Well said, Watchcph
By: Rosneathian : June 24th, 2021-12:53
When we consider the parties who have stepped in to complete Derek's work - Kari Voutilainen, Frodsham and Josh Shapiro through the 'Pratt Watch' project - it's clear that his work is held in the highest regard by those in the know (I haven't read the new...
You would clearly buy a piece of history...
By: eklektik : June 14th, 2021-12:02
As stated by others, seeing how many watches are made per year, you would obviously buy a piece of history! Which is an achievement in itself. I find it remarkable that Roger Smith and a very few others make everything in house and nearly all by hand! To ...
Personally the aesthetics front and back do not appeal to me
By: JTCL : June 15th, 2021-06:13
I'm also not clear what innovations and history Roger has created. Compared to the likes of FPJ for exaple (granted not "hand made"), I derive less aesthetic value and historical signficance from RS, so for me I would not buy it. But then again, that is d...
Thanks Obeezy,
By: Cozmopak : June 15th, 2021-14:54
But I was able to sneak in as I have been communicating with Caroline for a few months.
Got an email from Roger Smith this morning
By: GreatPilot@me.com : June 15th, 2021-19:43
He is no longer taking orders, he does not want to long a waiting list and wants to focus on his improvements in Horology…Jim
You should be good
By: GreatPilot@me.com : June 16th, 2021-01:39
When I asked Carloine about 8 months ago she told me 3 years, not sure that is accurate or how this change might affect the delivery but it’s all I know…Jim
Yes
By: Cozmopak : June 16th, 2021-03:50
If your name is on the list and you paid the deposit (5k pounds), you will have the opportunity to receive a watch…eventually. But no more names are being added to the list
Received mail as well
By: ambel : June 16th, 2021-09:26
Only watches in production are being produced. Everyone that is on waiting list (without having paid a deposit), will have to wait a long time
Yes!
By: Cozmopak : June 17th, 2021-02:57
Sorry I forgot to credit you!
Selling a Voutilainen?
By: Cozmopak : June 17th, 2021-17:54
Not where I live. These watches retain their value extremely well
Just to add about Roger Smith
By: GreatPilot@me.com : June 24th, 2021-18:33
I received an email from this morning telling me he opened my watch and is replacing my escapement wheel with his Newley upgrade version along with the lever which has benefitted its efficiency. In addition the watch will be completely serviced and back t...