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Horological Meandering

You are really talking about present time queues - long for the sought after,

 

short for the 'available'.  Prices in the secondary market as a spot price merely reflect an individuals propensity to queue (or jump the queue).

I never have figured out the prices for the following:

1. MJLC Rose Gold Reverso series.  Iconic case, finishing was good, all original designed and manfactured movements and cases.  A common theme to the series and some horological innovations as well (think of the repeater and the chrono).  I just do not get it.  Compared to present offerings from the same company, this series (to me) represents the best horological bargains on the market today.  Why are they not sought after?  Who knows - my guess is that they are not /were not limited enough, perhaps too discrete and unassuming in presentation, no marketing connected with it. 

2. Some FPJournes - particularly the Resonnance have at times gone for less than I thought they would.  Perhaps too idiosyncratic in design?

3. AP RO OS Alinghi, RO Perpetual are also a ponder on why.

4. Roger Dubuis does not seem to do so well in the secondary market as well.

As to why others have prices spiralling upwards?  I can only surmise that there is too much money chasing particular models (for whatever reason).  Partially due to particular models having cache, but outside of that, it would be fun to think of a way of finding out beyond individual speculation and introspection.

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Let's talk prices...

 
By: ThomasM : March 21st, 2007-10:22
AP End of Days Juan Pablo Montoya XX La Boutique Lange 1815 Moonphase PP - basically, any high complication also, Nautlius 3712; 3970; now, seemingly, the 5959 Various LE and the more rare Panerais (especially pre-Vendome/Richemont models, including origi... 

I thought price discussions were not in the spirit of this site>>>

 
By: . : March 21st, 2007-12:42
I thought the watches themselves are supposed to be the focus and as such price discussions and auction results and increase/decreasing monetary value, investment potential are taboo.

Should we always and forever strictly follow any and all rules ever laid down?

 
By: ThomasM : March 21st, 2007-14:36
Even those that were, from the start, more ideological than practical? And when a large majority of the reading audience seemed to prefer it otherwise? By that same ideology, your post would be deleted because it was posted anonymously, where the poster d... 

No, of course not . . .

 
By: Mous, A. Nony : March 21st, 2007-15:14
that's why I wrote "I THOUGHT it was not in the spirit . . ." Along the lines of standing behind your words, I have seen quite a few posts by you (as the moderator/owner) in the past lecturing other posters who wrote about investment potential and auction... 

The intent of the post

 
By: JC : March 21st, 2007-15:28
Maybe we should take this particular part of the thread elsewhere coz the original post was interesting! I think it has to do with intent. This was not a post which is asking "I want to buy a watch. Which of the following will rise in price the most? or w... 

But that's precisely the problem of pricing . . .

 
By: Anonymous Postumous : March 21st, 2007-15:48
Placing an emphasis on the price of how much a watch sells for at an auction or on the secondary market cheapens the watch. That was the very original intent behind not discussing the prices, but rather the watches themselves, what they have to offer, not... 

Thanks, Mr. Mous.

 
By: ThomasM : March 21st, 2007-15:44
Seriously, I think the fact that your post remained was, hopefully, a powerful statement in itself. BUT, many readers seem to only want to see what they want to see, read into what they want to read into... You raise some awfully valid and important point... 

Vacheron

 
By: JC : March 21st, 2007-15:21
Vacheron much less popular in the Western world but a significant brand in China. In China this is THE brand to own along with PP..... but due to price point this is more popular. Nothing in their line up excitws me that much..... most interesting is thei... 

One brand that seems to hold it's value well . . .

 
By: Dr No : March 21st, 2007-16:03
. . . is Dornblueth . . . a friend of mine was offered a few hundred dollars over retail for his steel 99.1 by a watch salesman at a major NYC retail store. The degree to which they're hand-built is, I think, an attraction for many enthusiasts. Cordially,... 

Very Interesting Post

 
By: Mally : March 21st, 2007-22:03
Its great the way the initial issue was quickly closed (with JF not initiating an invitation to a shoot out at dawn!) - being a regular visitor to this site, I can quite understand where the Anonymous pitch came from; however, having said that, I feel TM'... 

I think as watch market is booming,

 
By: れい : March 21st, 2007-18:06
many companies are successful in inflating their prices through HYPED marketing and of course with the help of growing (robust?) world economies, many people can afford a "little" more luxuries... Now, you see good watches everywhere. Collectors have alwa... 

Can't think of any more examples of watches going for over retail..

 
By: Allen : March 21st, 2007-21:22
As for undervalued watches, I like Steve's picks a lot. The GP 3 bridge tourb has got to be the all time undervalued watch. All VCs are no brainers. Of all Blancpains, I think the Perpetual Chrono is the best buy. I would also like to add the UN Freak, AP... 

Not so sure...

 
By: PeterCDE : March 21st, 2007-23:23
G'day, picture courtesy of Antiquorum one aspect which might be recommendable to keep in mind is the age of a specific piece. In the 1990´s, the list price of a GP Three Bridges was in the neighbourhood of 40K US-$; that´s what pieces of that age seem to ...  

You are really talking about present time queues - long for the sought after,

 
By: 219 : March 22nd, 2007-05:35
short for the 'available'. Prices in the secondary market as a spot price merely reflect an individuals propensity to queue (or jump the queue). I never have figured out the prices for the following: 1. MJLC Rose Gold Reverso series. Iconic case, finishin...