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I'm sorry,
I disagree and do draw my conclusions based on my own personal experiences.
Matter of fact, yes, it was this same person, Khalil, your friend who freely deleted my posts, repeatedly, and without being able to provide me any reason whatsoever for it, which is totally and completely unacceptable to me.
Going back into the archives at purists, here is the post which you can read and see there is no reason to delete at all, proof of which is it remains here to this day-
mob.watchprosite.com
This is enough reason for me to state (after such a pathetic firsthand experience with TZ) they should closely look into their forum practices or replace their moderators, or change their ways of moderation, in short, do whatever it takes to see that they let people state their grievances whether or not these suite them.
There can be no justification for this humbug. When you choose to act like so, you choose to give your forum and site a bad name, so be it.
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What are the main differences between TimeZone and PuristSPro?
Someone school me on the online watch communities, please! This message has been edited by mkt33 on 2011-02-20 19:21:42 Thread locked. Thanks everyone for their insights and discussion but I believe all viewpoints have been discussed. This message has bee...
What is the difference between William Shakesprare
and Agatha Christie? Different authors perhaps... Best, Kari
Best surf the two sites
yourselves to find the gems from of each site. I did that and had fun learning from others and contributing along the way. This message has been edited by mell0822 on 2011-02-15 23:20:30
You should probably experience the sites for yourself...
...to see what you like about each of them. There are some brand forums that are found on both sites, and some community members who frequent both. The key is to figure out which works for you -- maybe they both will. Welcome here! Cheers, Daos
This is a world to discover by yourself, and it is up to you to make your own mind.
It is like when some clients ask " Are you the best lawyer "? If you say yes, you look arrogant, and a bit stupid. If you say no, they go away. My answer is to read here and there and to find the place you feel more comfortable with. There are no good or ...
If I ever need a lawyer in France...
...I'm calling you, Vlad! Can I please get the "friends and family" discount? Daos
Watch out with French lawyers .... !!!
They always tell you they have to pay 95 % taxes so a family discount will not be possible ..
Hmmmmmmmm .....
Tasty Daos ..... But then ...... She becomes a vampire too ? Ooooh nooooo !!!!! Evil Bim
You know " La Santé " ?
I was there this morning, to visit a " good client ". Do you want me to book a " room " for you? Best, Nicolas.
My French professor at the Alliance Française
Spent a little time there in the 70s. He also sat in as a drummer for the New York Dolls. Very cool guy.
I would not use that term there ;-)
I'm a little weak on my "mots argots", but I don't think they take to that too kindly. This message has been edited by mrsnak on 2011-02-18 09:20:07
Only you can determine which site you like more...
or perhaps which fora on each site suits your interests best.
Beside the different url, nothing. But
that's only my opinion :P I'm afraid you will never have any satisfy answer with a question like this. Is like asking what's the best ice cream flavor of the world. However I will say this, "I like it here in PuristSPro." Is it the best? I don't know but ...
PuristsIsHereForYouTzPleasesManufacturers
I'll tell you a HUGE difference I experienced firsthand, I recently faced some serious service related grievances with Patek which I wanted to make public and write about so that cash paying customers like me know what they are getting into when buying a ...
Hi, Rishad - one of the Patek forum moderators . . .
. . . on TimeZone, Khalil Sheikh, is a friend of mine, and we've had a few conversations about this very subject. Please be assured that Khalil is a gentleman, first and foremost. The short version of the long story is that TimeZone has a liberal deletion...
A very well balanced, and thoughtful response
While I saw similar things described by rishad happen at timezone, I now have a better understanding of why. I don't think one is "better" than the other, but rather a difference in taste. -Sun
SorryIDisagree
I'm sorry, I disagree and do draw my conclusions based on my own personal experiences. Matter of fact, yes, it was this same person, Khalil, your friend who freely deleted my posts, repeatedly, and without being able to provide me any reason whatsoever fo...
I both understand and, to a certain point, accept . . .
. . . your position, Rishad. I read thru your missive and find nothing objectionable in principle, although it should be noted that our Patek forum moderator was essentially unsympathetic to your position. Your point, I take it, is that it was allowed her...
AppreciateYourUnderstanding
I appreciate and thank you for your understanding, Yes, this was my point, exactly. All I expected was tolerance. At the time, I didn't require sympathy or look for this from the moderator. That's not what I feel is a moderators job, so I've nothing again...
Moderation
Hi Rishad, I can’t comment on the approach and practices of the TZ Moderators. I should mention, however, that we do delete posts occasionally on PPro, but not without considerable thought. We always write to the poster explaining why this was done and mo...
Of course
Hi Andrew, I understand, and have seen, this site is perfectly legit when they moderate, with good reasons. This is exactly why I state with giving the example as well, that you guys are doing a super job. Please keep it up, I'm proud to be a member of su...
Sadly not always the case...
I had a post deleted on the AHCI forum last year with no contact or email. I can certainly accept it could have been against policy, in fact I said so in the post. But I wad still shocked not to receive a message.
Only human ...
I can't comment on this specific post, Greg. Perhaps the Moderator who deleted it thought you were expecting it and knew the answer already?! All I can say is that I try to let people know by PM if I have had to delete their post, and I think the other Mo...
I tend to grant the benefit of the doubt, Greg, but reading between . . .
. . . the lines, it seems that you were aware the post was questionable, in which case an advisory isn't mandatory. There's a section in the Terms of Service that addresses this contingency, and it's most likely the moderator who deleted your post did so ...
Khalil is terrible
I have lodged so many complains with management about his unethical use of the delete button. He is absolutely terrible at his job and should be demoted. In shor;t Kahlil sucks. I sympathize with your difficult time on Timezone. How could they treat you t...
Hi William, please...
observe the golden rule. If you don't have something good to say, (you know the rest) as a one of the mods here I hope you can appreciate how your post may make our lives a bit more difficult. I think the differences between moderating styles are clear an...
I would say about how lucky you were for not facing the previous TZ PP moderator,
but he’d already manifested
consider yourself lucky you did not get banned
their "moderation" did not only go as far as stopping posters from posting unpleasant experience with manufacturers, they also do not like it when you post negative buying/selling experience even on watchnet's "deal watch" forum where this was exactly the...
I tried a number of watch communities out and still frequent two of them
I find this one congenial for a wide range of topics and one of the others for a particular specialized forum. There are some who have very strong opinions about a particular watch site or even a particular forum on a watch site, and some who seem to expe...
Heavy handed moderators and owners
are probably the biggest problem with any forum. Same with overbearing rules. When intelligent discourse is crippled by either one of these factors, the forum becomes less relevant. They then become only populated by the forum favorites and their follower...
Anyone who drives the Snakmobile...
...has to be smarter than the average Joe! Thank you for being here, Snak! Cheers, Daos
Lest we forget . . .
. . . 'twas snak who created this video . . . . . . for our viewing pleasure . . .
Another big difference between TZ and PuristS
Posts here don't get deleted without warning or explanation. They are always left up with a moderator's comment as to why they were either edited or locked. I also must say that none of these are ever done on the basis of the moderator's personal opinion....
Another small, but often significant difference
You can edit your posts here (albeit for a short time) There is an edit your post button on TZ, but clicking it (even seconds after posting) returns with "you cannot edit post". Annoys me to no end ;-) Never figured out why they left the button in place.
I m member of both, but post only on one
So no prizes for which I think it more suited for me. Note I said suited, not better. I will be totally honest here, and don't worry mods, I will be diplomatic, and NOT raise anything controversial. I like TZ for the sticky articles they have, though a lo...
Differences I See...and why I post here and not there....
I think the Purist site tends to focus more consistently on Haute Horology (the leading edge of the art, whether it be techncial, classical or otherwise). Its members tend more consistently to be, to site the name of the forum, "purists". In my opinion, T...
One thing I can say for sure is PuristSPro has a global audience
Our traffic is basically split equally amongst the USA, Europe, and Asia. We truly are a global website and we have a global moderator team as well. Best, Anthony This message has been edited by AnthonyTsai on 2011-02-16 13:52:53
Try both and decide
I have posted on both and have been a fairly active member (until recently!) on TZ. They both have their good points and a lot of the same discussions, is Purist better than the other... depends what you are looking for! I think they are both fairly globa...
Apols mate, just a quick point of correction....
TZ do have their version of HoMe...called the Public Forum moderated by Michael Sandler. Best, and politely Horo
just like the real life social circle...
You will know who you want to "hang" with after doing some exploring. I do fair amount of posting on various forums but I always come back to here. Your experience may vary and only you can determine that! Though I don't have flare for writing like the re...
There is only one...
cen, and he is here. He is the notorious celebrity with super 'nice' or 'cool' travel pictures (that's what around 12 people said to me, but these 12 people carry the voice of millions, trust me!). On the other hand, TZ has more SOTC and daily wristscan. ...
I'm very surprised this is not getting deleted!
Hmmmmmmm... they are both great resources. PuristsPro I would say, in general, goes 'deeper.' But then there are such great contributors on TZ--and incredible photos. Paul Boutros comes to mind.... Etc. And TZ is a better place to buy/sell lower priced wa...
There are some objective differences.
1. TZ provides a "vintage watch" and a "watchmaking and repair" forum. 2. TZ has more traffic. 3. TZ has a lot more lower-end pieces in its sales fora, as well as straps, winders, cases, etc. 4. TZ has overt commercial sponsorship, including a very close ...
Evidently you're missing out on our de facto vintage forum . . .
. . . so ably moderated by Bill Sohne ;-) . . . omega.watchprosite.com
Yes, but it's only Omega
and as much as I love that forum, there's never any discussion about the new Omegas. It's basically a vintage forum. It's no fault of anyone, but if I see another 30T or similar, I'm going to scream. ;-) There's more talk of moderns on other forums (thoug...
hahahah Omega only made about 3 million of them....
Hi mrsnak hahaha Omega only made about 3 million 30 mm movements.... from 1939 to about 1962. I look forward to seeing some of your vintage on the Omega forum.. Gives me an idea for a new thread..... hmmmmm..... Good Hunting Bill Sohne
Thank you for the input, gentleman!
I love TimeZone and PuristSPro very much! Here's my story and the reason why I made this thread: I spent more of my online time on TimeZone and learned quite a bit within a few months. In fact, I enjoyed being on the forum so much, I figured that I should...
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Welcome ...
Well, Dorothy (may we call you Dorothy?), Not many members get their first post listed as an Editor’s Pick (you can see this on the FRONT PAGE) so congratulations and welcome! It would have been interesting to see the response to the same question p...
Welcome Dorothy!
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm so sorry to hear that you can no longer participate on your favorite watch forum. I can understand the whole wanting an identity on the site thing. When I first joined, I wasn't really thinking and just used my name.....
For me: the JLC moderator is better here than TZ. :P
But seriously, I feel TZ is more in your face in terms of the language used. Not to say that candidness is not appreciated but I feel that it is vulgar at times. cheers PAt
I appreciate ... your appreciation on my work, but Howard deserves a lot of consideration,
Pat. He's a gentleman, a great guy, and a true JLC lover. Best, Nicolas.
I was just alerted to this thread.
Thank you for the kind support, Nicolas. And to my other friends for their generous comments. Your checks are in the mail. I've participated here for quite a few years, and have never felt the need to choose one over the other. With three full-time jobs +...
May I also agree with Daos............
I first met Howard on a completely different site and have always found him to be a true gent. I enjoy both sites and have learnt a great deal from both. But if I was to be asked "which site do I start looking at first" then my answer would be "THIS ONE"
It's a hard act to follow ...
... and in fact I see that Nico has already responded to you, so again I'm following! Hi PAt, I know you were being humorous, but there is no other moderator quite like Nicolas, probably on this planet and certainly not on PPro or any other horology forum...
I know your remark is light hearted, but Howard Parr is superb.
Surely you mean to tout Nicolas and with good reason. Nico is a friend to us all and a tremendous asset to thePurists. Howard has done a fantastic job, with Paul Boutros, of renovating the AP forum on TZ. I will always be a Purists first and foremost, and...
As a newly minted Timezone moderator...
...and friend of Howard's, I have to give this post a heartfelt +1. He's a sincere, warm, friendly person, and as moderator's go, he's a tough act to follow. Indeed, I'll be patterning my stewardship of the IWC forum after his example. And Nico's. ;-) Reg...
Congrats on that, Adam
You bring a smart, fresh face to TZ. Although I was bit surprised, given your participation on DWC (the Animal House of watch forums). I figured you must have had a good connection with the TZ management to begin with.
Doubtless once they figure that out...
...Michael will ask me to tender my resignation. ;-) But seriously, this raises an excellent point regarding the different fora available for watch enthusiasts. Your "Animal House" description of the DWC is an apt one, and while I certainly do appreciate ...
As denizens of multiple forums
You are correct about how we adapt to the tone of each one if we want to be part of it. This one has more of a specific philosophy (I've heard it referred to even as a "society" - maybe from its Asian origins) than most. It took me a little longer to find...
Hey, Adam, huge congrats!
I wish one day we'll be albe to organize a Moderators GTG! All the best of luck for your new responsabilities. Nicolas
Hi Michael, definite on that. Howard and Paul have done a wonderful job at TZ.
It's was more rowdy when Stan was there I guess. And I have not been to there for some time as well. Just spend most of my Horo time over here in Purists. Cheers PAt
"By their fruits ye shall know them"...
The threshold question we all have to ask ourselves - and it has nothing to do with the comparative qualities of different sites - is: 'does it behove a member of this community (i.e. a Purist) to ask or answer such a question?' Cheers, pplater.
Ask timezone
As we often do when asking questions about comparing watches from different brands, I suggest asking the same question on tz in order to get as well rounded and answer as possible.
The thread starter is banned from TZ....can't pose question there!!!
Best, Horo This message has been edited by Hororgasm on 2011-02-17 22:40:18
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