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At the moment it seems already to be it's quite difficult to find...
...one of those calendars
(ref 4240, 4240L or ref 4241 4241L or ref 4385 or even one of those ref 4461 or 4462 or 4560 or 4623 or maybe even the ref 4764) in unmolested state.
The values for 'very good - good' ones easily triple those for average watches because of three reasons:
- Unmolested dial is worth anything, cause usually could not be replaced or redone.
- The rework of the movement is a gambling experiment, cause you actually could not justify what happened to the movement over the last decades and need to be done. Not every deficiency is visible on the first sight and there are actually huge differences of movement condition.
- Unmolested case is also worth anything, cause originality couldn't be restored.
The lucky well off's eye the best known auction houses, like Phillip's.
Probably also consider to get one already professionally restored by Vacheron Constantin Les Collectionneurs.
The majority of collectors have to think about what kind of wabi in appearance could be tolerated. If the aficionado is more experienced, he could buy
one with overall better wabi and good substance and commission the restore work with
Vacheron Constantin. But I wouldn't recommend to do so with a local watchmaker.
Quatum Leap (II) - The Vacheron & Constantin ref 4240 / 4241 Calendar Watches
Hi Student, Since it is another topic I prefer to start a new thread. (below in pink V&C ref 4241) ...
an interesting question
VC few published the production of one type movement or reference . For example, the Chronometre Royal with caliber1007&1008. In 1942, the VC produced Ref. 4240, triple calendar, using caliber 455 . Then caliber 485, 495 were produced, with models 4240，42...
The Production Figures
As far as I know there was little published yet about production figures and as you may remember from the V&C Chronographs from that period, there were many variants and each variant with different numbers. Variants of cases, of lugs, of dials, of mov...
I know it's hard to find an answer to this question.
.may be total for them is less than 2000 pieces, so less 200 pieces per year . at that time, the VC output of all watches was 5,000 per year.
The Production Figures II
I think to get a better understanding of the production figures, you have to look closely at the V&C Chronograph watches of that time. Why? Because they have been in a very close price bracket. And you should think about, if they would have been sold bett...
Your sharing always brings surprises.
The price marked in example, I can understand line 3. It's 18kyg and 18kpg. line1 mean for steel case ? the letters:heures,couronne,anses. can you tell me what are the three words mean for. thank you.
Variant Description 4241 and 4240 calendar in the price sheet
Acier inoxydable, heures or, couronne or -> stainless steel ( link ), hour indices (hour markers) gold, crown gold (for 4241 and 4240) Acier inoxydable, anses or -> stainless steel, lugs gold (for 4240 only) Or 18 ct jaune ou rouge -> yellow gold 18K or r...
Huh? what is going on with the 4444!?
was there really a watch that retailed for 17,325 CHF in 1949?! I can't find any pictures of this ref on google.
What we already know - Retrospection
Article from "The Hour Louge" - The Vacheron Constantin Discussion Forum "... The calendar is like the air we breathe, it surrounds us, it rhythms our lives, but we don’t really pay any attention to it. ... Quantum Leap: History of Vacheron Constantin Cal...
Thank you for your sharing.
I've read this article carefully before, but unfortunately I haven't saved it (because THL is closed). Now I reading it, there is a feeling of reunion between old friends.
sure
its a nice one for me, original dial with patinas. caliber 485,movement ,case i think its made in early 1950s,maybe in 1950. ...
I usually enjoy some wabi also
Most of that calendars have some issue with the dial. Try to do some pictures with natural light at lunch time, a even better outcome would maybe achieved. Do you have pictures of the inside also? The numbers and the caliber would put the watch to the lat...
Tell me more about the watch, was it the same source or where this watch come from?
The movement seem to have been well cared for that age, probably compelete overhoul.
My recommendation for you would be
Take some sharp and high resolution photos from inside and outside of the watch with natural light and afterwards return the watch to your friend. Tell him you need some time to decide, your wife make troubles – whatever. If he is a friend, he should acce...
please tell me your advice about the vc
maybe i cannot return it . the pictures take by myself.
I need better pictures, I don't like to guess something
The authentication isn't instandly done, it needs some time. To do so, I need to see high resolution pictures. So first start to do better photos, with as much natural light as possible (window to outside at lunch time), good camera... Did you try to retu...
i will provide high definition pictures.
This watch was bought by my friend from Japan auction. I don't think the watch with a problem. I see you are an expert in vintage vc. Your suggestions are valuable. I will study it carefully in the future. But I bought this watch only after I saw it , so ...
Good News
Hello student, I checked some more data and tried to exploit the photos you sent. Now I'm quite confident it is authentic , because I could spot another ref 4240 with identical dial (print and hour markers) and very close numbers, the watch I found was re...
I just saw your message
Last Saturday, I went to Beijing and visited VC's China Antique pocket watches and Watches Tour official maintenance technician identified the watch. The dial was original and there was no problem. My photography skills are so poor that I no longer provi...
I'm right.
Referring to the screenshot, the exhibition number is the same, 12100. The official internal information was wrong at first, and then corrected correctly.
It's hard to check with the pictures I saw initially
Therefore I gave you the knoledge how to differnciate the two ref's 4240 / 4241: Look at the pushers! And you were right from the very beginning, congratulations. Did they also raise the price? The 4241 in steel is the rarest calendar version.
The price of steel ref.4241 is about $35,000.
One of my most interesting exhibition watches is Ref. 4072, a nearly perfect case and dial. Enamel letters. I think my understanding of vintage VC has not reached a certain level. So I won't purchase for vintage VC chronograph in next 2 years. Accumulate ...
Good to see that better pictures
That's a quite good example for, which high impact the quality of photos have on sensation and impression. Link Compare to the photos shown initially, you could even think it's a different watch, but no it isn't. ...
Thats also a very good sample to illustrate
The extraordinary abilities of Vacheron Constantin in treating Vintage carefully. ...
thank you for sharing
You re-edit and analyze the photos, which is convenient for everyone to learn. I'm surprised that you can find the website of China. Are you proficient in Chinese? vc's renovation of antique watches is amazing.
I would wish to speak better Chinese than your English
I'm German. My knowledge is more basic, more like some common knowledge about Chinese living culture like food or tea, art, religion, literature, sport, history and stuff like that. As well I do like to let tailor my suits at A Man Hing Cheong (one of the...
good
We have many hobbies in common. The antique VC is one of them. I'm obsessed with ancient Chinese history (from the 4th to 6th centuries ). At the same time, there is a certain understanding of Buddhist sculptures in this period. We may have more similar t...
But your Avatar isn't a Chinese Buddha
I've only basic understanding of Buddhist teachings. You are Chinese National or American Chinese? ...
the picture take by myself
It is truly a Buddhist sculpture of the 5th century in China. Combining various artistic styles, can you see the style of Indian Buddhist sculpture? It is called "Qingzhou Style". If you come to Shandong Province of China, you can feel its beauty on the s...
it's a very small picture
I would have guessed it's Pala - Indian. But yours is Chinese and lime stone, they are phantastic art. According to the posture of hands (indian mudra) they have had a certain meaning mostly corresponding to Buddhas life (or former life) story.
Congratulation
I'm quite convinced it will please you, those calendars are of such marvelous beauty.
THL - Alex Ghotbi : My vintage triple date 4240 disaster story (re-post)
My vintage triple date 4240 disaster story November 26, 07 15:04 by Alex Ghotbi The Hour Lounge – The Vacheron Constantin Discussion Forum [pictures and links removed by TIMESET] JohnLy's post about his beautiful triple date model got me thinking of my st...
thank you for reminding me
The ref. 4240 I bought isnot good enough. I don't think the second sale will lose money.
Don't be silly with your calendar.
It's a Vacheron & Constantin, a Vacheron & Constantin will never go out of style. Think about the wabi of yours. If you like to have a pristine one, buy a new one or if you like to have a vintage one but pristine condition, probably the only one way is by...
i think that
Close to perfection is the most perfect thing. It will make you feel a little pity, but reluctant to part. I will look for better antique VC, especially triple calendar. This will be my own collection.
At the moment it seems already to be it's quite difficult to find...
...one of those calendars (ref 4240, 4240L or ref 4241 4241L or ref 4385 or even one of those ref 4461 or 4462 or 4560 or 4623 or maybe even the ref 4764) in unmolested state. The values for 'very good - good' ones easily triple those for average watches ...
I really think yours is a better sample of those 4240 calendars
I've seen many many of them and my summary would be, yours wabi is very tolerable and pleasant. Beeing initially cautious was mainly because of the index configuration I haven't seen before and the not so good pictures from your side. But I found a dial v...
thank you sharing the important informations.
I have benefited a lot from your information and suggestions.