dr.kol
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Okay, two different watches even they look
the same.
Nautilus 3712 is bult according to the original design of Mr. Gerald Genta. The case is made from two parts and the shoulders are used to fix the parts together. At the same time 5712 is having a "conventional" case built from three parts. This means that you will get the access to the movement by opening the back of the case. With 3712 you must open the watch from the shoulders. According to my engineer friend, the construction of 3712 is much more expensive and difficult to produce.
Because of the case construction, the crowns are different. The new model 5712 is having a screw-down crown while 3712 is having a push-down crown just like the original 3700. Both watches are water proof to 60 meters.
The shape of the shoulders is different and you will notice the differences comparing the watches side-by-side.
Also there are many differences of the dial and hands. The most remarkable is that 3712 is having a small hour marker at 7 o'clock.
The movement is just the same in both watches.
I found a new and sealed 3712 last year. The price of the watch was around 10k more than the price of 5712. However, I do not regret the lost money. For me 3712 is the first and original complicated Nautilus with a case built according to the original idea of Mr. Genta. At the same time 5712 is a fantastic watch but it only looks like 3712 while the case construction is very different.
But perhaps I'm just trying to justify my own purchase - which I do not regret.
Best, Kari
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What are the differences between the 5712 and 3712?
Can;t seem to find much or maybe I'm googling wrongly. Thanks in advance.
3712
Ok, I just read that only 500 pcs of the 3712 were produced in a one year period and then discontinued. Anyone know why?
Okay, two different watches even they look
the same. Nautilus 3712 is bult according to the original design of Mr. Gerald Genta. The case is made from two parts and the shoulders are used to fix the parts together. At the same time 5712 is having a "conventional" case built from three parts . This...
Thanks for this.
Looks like quite a bit of difference that does not meet the eye. THE reason that PP moved to a 2 piece case construction form the original Genta 2 peice is just cost driven or was there perhaps a deemed flaw?
Genta's original design
lasted from 1976 till 2006. That makes 30 years in total. I have never heard about problems with the case design. The two-part case makes it possible to build the watch also a little bit slimmer. If I remember right, 3712 is 0.2 mm slimmer than 5712. Anot...
another difference if i may...
... what you call the "shoulder" is straight on the 3712, while its curved on the 5712. Nobody seems to noticed though. and 3712 is sightly slimmer. I think you did well, not so much for the reasons you mentioned, as they are purely personal. The 5712 is ...
My 3712 is the very last watch I will sell!
There are differences indeed. I once listed 7 differences but for me the case construction is the main difference. I have seen in different field a lot of "improved" versions. Very often the improvements are based on costs and that's the case in my opinio...
i am confused,
I am looking at my 5712 and it looks to me that even though the case is made of three parts the only way to open it is from the shoulders.
Thanks for the thorough report!
The crown differences I didn't know about. Thanks for posting!
If I may ask, does the construction of the 5712 ...
Similar to the 5711? Hence the 3700 design characteristic mimic that of the 3712? thanks in advance!
Hi Greenwatch!
The moder 5711 and 5712 share the same case construction. If I remember right, Patek still made some two years ago 5800 which was the last Nautilus with the original case construction. Before that they made 3710 till 2005 which had the two-parts case. Bes...
I remember when I has a 5146P... and
someone asked what the differences were between it and the G models... ultimately, the details matter to very few. It was interesting to read the full-blown differences by dr. kol. But at the same time, I have to chuckle, because the watches are damned ne...
As far as I know,
the only the case design and the basic design of Nautilus dial comes from Mr. Genta. Some of the elements of the dial of 3712 like the moon phase, small seconds and power reserve are Patek's design. Those elements come from the movement which was used muc...
Case construction
Patek service center confirms that the movement of 5712 and 5711 will be removed from the front, i.e. same as the 3700, 3712, etc. Although the new case consists of three pieces, the two parts (middle and lower parts) are fixed and can not be opened durin...
Thanks!
I asked and got earlier the drawings of the new case construction from Patek Geneva. When I'll find the same from my huge files, I'll post those. Best, Kari
