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I don't think is conforntational if you write a polite letter (chatGPT or perplexity.ai) to Patek
Mar 25, 2024,08:45 AM
Which doesn't approve of this behaviour. It might even help you secure one.
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I’m too naive I suppose
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-21:34
I went to a store looking for a 5270J that was on display, I’m legitimately interested so I asked. They told me I have to build a history buying the brand (other purchases don’t count). I was told I need 5-7 watches before I can submit an application. As ...
All I will say is…
By: CGJ0 : March 24th, 2024-21:43
I know nothing on this practice but shouldn’t the response be “due to the sizeable interest we have to prioritise long term customers hence….” rather than the “please buy more” approach? Same outcome but very different and more understandable rationale. ...
Totally
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-21:48
But this very 5270J has been sitting in the case for 8 months (sa told me and I confirmed that I have seen it there like 3 months ago). Pretty much waiting for people to buy. I get it if this is a regular practice, but I’m checking with you the experience...
My response may have been misunderstood…
By: CGJ0 : March 24th, 2024-21:49
I bow to the expertise of others on the forum in this regard but I’m really supportive of your position…. if it’s there and not just for “exhibition” then I would strongly hope that they would sell to somebody enthusiastic about the watch. Interested to s...
No worries
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-22:26
Funny you mention they had a Nautilus Perpetual with the “Reserved” sign… that I know to not even mention, they won’t sell a watch like that to a “small potato” like me 😂
Yeah, I didn’t like it much
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-22:17
Sad because I have bought a significant number of other watches sure maybe not Patek but nothing to scuff at
I’m not too confrontational 😟
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-23:10
Usually events like this just drive me away from brands, but I do it in silence… which maybe is my mistake
U suggesting PP doesn't know what's going on
By: jim_94104 : March 25th, 2024-02:39
I just returned from Asia and visited three PP ADs there looking for a 5226G. Two opening suggest I looked into diamond watches for my wife while I wait. If PP doesn't already know what their ADs are doing. Then they have a even bigger issue 😅
+1
By: Watchonthewrists : March 25th, 2024-07:26
:D
By: CGJ0 : March 25th, 2024-18:09
;)
By: amanico : March 26th, 2024-23:36
Yessss
By: onewaycollecting : March 26th, 2024-03:42
If I was told that,
By: Champthekid : March 24th, 2024-21:51
I would have told him there are many on the secondary market that are brand new and less than retail. Then I would have given him the finger on the way out the door. 😁
+1
By: penfriend : March 24th, 2024-21:58
😆
By: myles721 : March 25th, 2024-01:49
😤
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-01:59
ROFL!
By: amanico : March 25th, 2024-07:09
That’s how I feel!
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-22:45
For a second I even considered wow maybe these are the ones I would consider … What a joke… sigh I knew they were bluffing It’s ok they can keep it 🤪
By: m2 : March 24th, 2024-22:47
Yeah, it's comical. A lot of these sales people are glorified order takers at this point and not actual salesman with skill. They got soft during 2020 - 2021
That’s a joke by that AD…
By: Clueless_Collector : March 24th, 2024-22:40
As a member pointed out, these sell for way less in pre-owned markets and some are very new conditions…makes my decision easier nowadays.
For sure
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-22:48
I’m not super familiar with the secondary market to be honest, I have some serious trust issues hahaha. But hell I’m looking at one from a dealer in USA that has some decent reviews and is charging way less for the P version … I might need to research mor...
Yeah I totally get if i was asking for a split second,
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-22:54
Sky moon, etc… Even more shady like I mentioned the watch has been sitting there for about 8 months now… I don’t imagine maybe come randomly to ask to get a 5270J - it’s just not that popular based on what I see (price, no hype, more traditional looking) ...
Indeed
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-12:51
Thanks
By: onewaycollecting : March 24th, 2024-22:57
That’s exactly why I come to this forum: to try to find voice of reason 🙏 It’s easy to get caught up in the games if you are not careful, I try to buy what I really like
By: m2 : March 25th, 2024-02:07
Check out some independents. Many offer beautiful dress watches if that is what you are into! You get about 2x the quality too
Correct 😕
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-00:52
Agreed
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-00:27
It gets worse.
By: gary_g : March 25th, 2024-00:44
They are going to ask you to write a letter (thank g-d for ChatGPT) in order to “qualify” for this watch. I would just buy on the grey market. It’s trading at or below retail.
I tried on a 6119R today.
By: LS : March 25th, 2024-00:52
When the sales lady started probing my interest level,I demurred. Then she told me the one I was trying on was just an “exhibition piece” and she couldn’t sell it anyway. Nothing in the case or anywhere said it had been sold and it had a complete working ...
Yes.
By: LS : March 25th, 2024-01:46
In hills that are very short
Ridiculous
By: PaddyP : March 25th, 2024-01:57
Save yourself around 80 grand and buy one from a dealer, don’t fall for these AD games in my opinion. The G is very reasonable also.
It’s always been hard to get popular PP watches.
By: gary_g : March 25th, 2024-02:16
But in the old days at least you could get a calatrava or a very expensive watch (like a perpetual). Now it’s impossible to get just about anything. The demand is insane. And most sales ppl (at least in US) are not on commission. But they don’t event cont...
Nod nod
By: onewaycollecting : March 26th, 2024-03:42
I am not surprised unfortunately by the treatment you have received
By: sham1 : March 25th, 2024-02:30
I have bought Pateks for more than 15 years from the same UK AD. I have therefore developed a relationship with the shop and the manager. I was shocked to hear when the disgruntled manager shared with me confidentially that she was at logger heads with he...
My AD has lost its Patek AD status too
By: sham1 : March 25th, 2024-07:21
due to Patek's policy of reducing its sales outlets. Saying that, there are other branches within my AD's group that I could buy my Pateks from but out of principle, I shall refrain from doing so. We the customer have never been more spoiled than we are n...
+1
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-15:20
Agreed!
By: sham1 : March 25th, 2024-14:52
I will always treasure the great memories and the many Patek events that I had been invited to including the factory visit, the train trip on a private train that Patek had booked, the minute repeater event where we could hear the chimes from different mi...
Wow that experience sounds amazing
By: onewaycollecting : March 26th, 2024-03:24
One can hope to get to that level! But companies now are more impersonal, interested in revenue, and just delivering product. I was introduced to the hobby late I am afraid, but hey not everything is bad, it’s just some bad experiences
Try looking at independent brands
By: sham1 : March 26th, 2024-04:17
They provide a more personal service and you may be able to speak to the watchmaker himself. Do not worry about the history of the brand or its continuity as many of the more well known independents will stand the test of time. The fact that you were cons...
I have thinkered with them
By: onewaycollecting : March 26th, 2024-05:00
Or at least in the past - I was able to secure 2 FP Journe before these were super popular. The brand treated me well but kind of changed as it got bigger (aka more attention). I love other independents: KV and Laurent Ferrier… the problem I get mentally ...
FP Journes
By: sham1 : March 26th, 2024-12:14
can only be serviced by FP Journe due to the movement architecture (clever FP!). But any good watchmaker will be able to service a Voutilainen or Laurent Ferrier. Not so with a Gronefeld unfortunately And respectfully, watches are not like cars as they do...
Oh wow…
By: CGJ0 : March 25th, 2024-18:14
I’m glad people stand in judgment of us all 😂 How ridiculous. I live in the South East and trying to find any AD to sell me Rolex, Patek, AP or Journe is an impossibility unless I buy watches and dump them to improve my standing with the dealer… something...
🙏 indeed
By: onewaycollecting : March 26th, 2024-03:44
If I may politely say
By: sham1 : March 26th, 2024-04:20
the brands you mentioned are hyped up brands. They are all very good please don't get me wrong but they also attract investors and speculators resulting in poor availability due to demand exceeding supply. For the same amount of money spent on any of thes...
I read somewhere that
By: jim_94104 : March 25th, 2024-02:30
there is a class action suit going on in CA against Hermès for the very similar sales practice 😅
I imagine
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-15:07
At the end of the day is a watch, I simply won’t play ball, they can keep it. There is a long list of others I need 😅
My answer would be: "Screw. This".
By: Boris : March 25th, 2024-04:13
Seriously, I can't comprehend how AD's expect to get away with this. There's not one watch in the world that I like enough to give way to what is essentially blackmail / extortion.
People here are so nice...
By: saintseiyaikki : March 25th, 2024-04:34
All here have encountered these "shxt situations" to some degree, so sad it is (was) how the business runs, all is about 'prestige' .For your case, all of us know that 5270j is selling under msrp, but still they wont suddenly put a sale on it, still a fla...
I don’t think is anything bad with Patek
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-14:22
Problem is the sales chain that is messed up. Honestly for this one the reasonable thing to do is go to the secondary market, pay less and just find a good seller (which is pretty much what I’m trying to find right now) This even helped to see that I coul...
I had the same experience with you ...
By: saintseiyaikki : March 25th, 2024-16:09
...two years ago in Hong Kong, i contacted the ad salesperson which i had purchased 5 watches (no pateks)from them, and said i want a 5270j, he honestly tell me i have to consider buying a calatrava or annual calendar first. (I end up got it from the grey...
By: PaddyP : March 25th, 2024-14:02
It’s certainly a shame as these AD practices really sap the joy out of the experience of watch collecting. Even though we could go market to purchase something, losing AD relationship then being told to start from scratch from other ADs when enquiring abo...
Very true !
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-14:24
Part of me says I should
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-15:12
The other one says let it go, karma will get it, I just don’t know if is worth it… plus i don’t b know who is really at fault here (company or the agent). Might think about it
By: PaddyP : March 25th, 2024-13:49
It’s similar with those who have recently lost their AD as Patek has cut the relationship with them. You are back to square one and told to buy a bunch of watches if want chance of an application piece. There is no letter offering an alternate AD you can ...
+1 agreed
By: onewaycollecting : March 25th, 2024-16:18
The humiliation of a truly interest client
By: Tool watch lover : March 25th, 2024-14:34
... I mean: you really want it. You worked for the money You are willing to invest it. What else should be the history? This is the humiliation of a customer. It is opposite to good style. A company as this doesn't deserve a client as you. That simple. Wh...
Disgusting.
By: fmc000 : March 25th, 2024-16:00
Disclaimer: I'm not the target audience for this category of watches, I believe that the retail price is about twice what I make in a year (before taxes, BTW); so probably I don't understand what's really going on. With that said, I find this kind of prac...
Aside from the price it is a crappy practice at any level…
By: onewaycollecting : March 26th, 2024-03:27
Imagine if I say you need to buy certain 5 random unwanted items at the supermarket before you get the ice cream you wanted lol Ridiculous… it wouldn’t fly, but it does here because people allow it
There is not really a good solution
By: onewaycollecting : March 26th, 2024-03:41
Let me fill the blanks: I bought about 15 watches from this AD, many brands from VC to Rolex, to IWC, Omega, Cartier, and more… I always buy what I like, sometimes popular models sometimes things that nobody but me cares to buy… Worked with this AD almost...
By: PaddyP : March 26th, 2024-04:11
Yeah that’s really poor and definitely not the case as I was offered a 5270p salmon dial before discontinued from a different AD. They didn’t check previous purchase history with the other AD just informed it was available when enquired. Should not be an ...
European Watch Co had 5270J
By: Dauster : March 26th, 2024-05:48
For $119k preowned 2021 or so a month ago. I think they have a 5370P for sub 200k right now and a first serial 5270G white dial for sub 120k. Just buy grey from a reputable dealer. I like EWC because they have a brick and mortar store in Boston.
By: PaddyP : March 26th, 2024-05:57
Good plan. Nice to drop in and say I bought this grey and saved a small fortune! Thanks for not letting me buy it, dodged a bullet there lol. Their loss..
some ADs are....
By: Peter : March 26th, 2024-15:06
....going crazy right now, since the covid-boom in luxury has abated and sales have dropped (or at least the craze behind them). i think i have already mentioned it here that my PP AD has explicitly asked me to buy diamonds to be eligible for my next spor...
You might have a case
By: onewaycollecting : March 26th, 2024-18:28
I know from another conversation that Patek requires them to keep certain number of watches on display to avoid having empty cases. That said - I was told that those 2 were on sale, but first you need to be approved for you to get them. Maybe I should hav...
Maybe you can sue them in America.
By: iceheller 1945 ✌️ : March 27th, 2024-11:49
A lady just sued Hermes in USA after she was told to build a profile before getting a BKC…
Could you imagine the jury?
By: gary_g : March 27th, 2024-15:59
You think they’ll be sympathetic? This poor poor person is so upset bc she can’t walk into Hermes and purchase a 10k purse… the horror… 😜