Any thoughts on this Urban Jurgensen
This is a rare stainless steel UJ 1140 ie it is in 40mm and spots the proprietary P4 movement. Limited to only fifty pieces, the UJ1140 had previously only been produced in precious metals so this stainless steel case is a welcome departure. Unlike salmon or rose gold dials adopted by other manufacturers, Urban Jurgensen has opted for a champagne coloured dial or if you like light yellow gold plated guilloche dial which is quite unique in its colour. The 32mm movement is made exclusively for Urban Jurgensen by Chronode which is headed Jean Francois Mojon. The finishing is exemplary. A nice touch is the suede strap to give the watch a more casual look.
Yesterday, I posted a Grossmann v Grossmann thread. How would you rate this UJ against the Grossmann Hamatic and the Grossmann Power Reserve Vintage?
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Any thoughts on this Urban Jurgensen
This is a rare stainless steel UJ 1140 ie it is in 40mm and spots the proprietary P4 movement. Limited to only fifty pieces, the UJ1140 had previously only been produced in precious metals so this stainless steel case is a welcome departure. Unlike salmon...
Thank you very much Nico!
I don't know how you do it but you are generally the first to reply to my posts! I like the Urban Jurgensen as it in steel and the dial is gorgeous in my opinion. Anyway, I already own a lovely Mortitz Grossmann so perhaps I should seriously consider this...
I think so too!
Quite ironically, my last two watch purchases have been steel watches and I have two steel Pateks incoming this year and next. Maybe being retired only allows me to consider cheaper watches or perhaps I am finally getting more mature horologically and app...
As an alternative...
I'll suggest the Parmigiani Kalpa Hebdomadaire. These are priced very well for what they are. Perhaps a bit more expensive than the UJ, but you get a rose gold case+deployant clasp, 8 day power reserve, and a manual wind movement that looks like nothing e...
Thank you for your suggestion
but somehow I have never really fallen for Parmigiani's offerings. I have met the man and he is a lovely chap but am somehow not too keen on his watches especially the rectangular ones.
I am pretty sure
that you are right about the Parmigiani in the used market. In fact, I think Grossmann may be affected similarly. I have just sent an email directly to Soren Peterson, the CEO of UJ who I had met once to ask him how I can obtain this watch. If it is meant...
Some spirits are more obvious than others
Sham1, do consider another look at the LF micro
The picture is by Peter Chong, hopefully he doesn't mind me sharing it here. The quality is pretty incredible. Like you, I had issues with automatics in general but made an exception for this and the new Grossmann auto. Look at the inward angles, black po...
Thank you for your reply!
The Laurent Ferrier micro rotor is undoubtedly the best finished micro rotor in the market, I would not disagree. I prefer the MG Hamatic simply because instead of a micro rotor, the hammer and pendulum movement to me seems more attractive, perhaps due it...
Regrettably I am unable to join you in your quest
My watch budget for 2019 has been used up. In fact so has the budget for 2020! So if I am lucky I will be able to get myself the above UJ 1140 in steel. I seriously hope you get the LF and Hamatic, especially the latter because MG really needs a bigger au...
You have a lovely Alfred!
I love everything about your watch apart from the 42mm diameter. I wish they had made it 40mm because I would choose it over the 1140 in steel.
honestly??...before deciding for the Alfred...
I was also trying some other 1140 models in steel that they had at the manufacture in Biel...although my wrist is small, I simply felt the 1140 was too small for me...the 42mm is just perfect for me...
I agree totally!
With limited funds and only one watch to choose from, the 1140 seems like a wise choice. Could you tell me how accurate has your Alfred been?
That is amazing accuracy!
I am quite impressed by some of these brands that do not publish the accuracy of their movements but actually attain a higher accuracy than those that do publish theirs like Patek Philippe, Lange, Rolex and Grand Seiko. For the record, my Moritz Grossmann...
I could not agree with you more.
Accuracy in a mechanical timepiece is the ultimate compliment to the watchmaker/manufacturer and an indication of a job well done. And I do expect it at any price range which is why two decades ago, I was overly impressed by the Nomos that I had bought wh...
Thank you Zsolt for your valuable feedback!
Yes the dial is reminiscent of a Breguet or even a Voutilainen! I have made enquiries to a couple of London dealers since the UJ network does not cover South East Asia regrettably.
Very different watch
I like the case of the UJS. The Grossmann is a bit chunkier. So which exterior aesthetics that you prefer in the end is subjective. However, I would rate the Grossmann a few steps ahead in terms of finishing.
Thank you for chiming in!
I always want to learn more about finishing. Without putting you on the spot, could you say more about what makes the finishing better on the MG? I've only seen pictures of the UJ, but it looks like there are some interior angles chamfered, etc. I believe...
Ok here is my take
I will just describe them. Using the MG Vintage as a reference(because I have experience with the Atum/Benu model), 1) there are gold chatons around the jewels, with screws to hold them down. This is simlar to Lange but MG went one step further. The chato...
I am pretty sure you are right
that the people at MG spend more time hand finishing their watches - at least on their incomparable hands!! And I must thank you for your well thought of and elaborate reply comparing the finishing of both brands.
I have the privilege of knowing our esteemed friend personally and it is almost unfair that someone so young can be so knowledgeable!
Thank you very much for saying so!
I was beginning to wonder when someone would say something favourable about the Grossmann. I agree that the finishing of the Grossmann is superior to a Lange and even the UJ but we are in the golden age where movement finishing seems to have taken priorit...
the dial is mesmerizing..
Although I like the decoration of the movement, the dial side really speaks to me. very nice choice
I agree that the dial takes some beating and in that unusual colour too. Afterall, it is the dial that we tend to stare at more than any other part of the watch.
Yes making the watch in steel
is always a touch of genius at this price level. Laurent Ferrier did it and so did Patek with its new Calatrava 5212A. Imagine a steel Lange!
UJ definitely offers better value than the Grossmann. It looks like the complete package especially in my preferred stainless steel case.
Just to say some words in favor of MG since I'm biased...
Although the UJ is less expensive, I'm not quite sure I'd consider it better value. When you take into account the cost required to develop a unique complication like the hammer winder, the higher level of finishing, and the gold case, I think the MG more...
I must confess that it is difficult to ignore the movement of the Hamatic - what a refreshing change from any other movement let alone other automatic movements. I seriously need to try it on!!
Thank you for your feedback and encouragement!
I really wish I could try on the UJ before placing my order. The CEO, Soren Petersen, has kindly reserved one for me but I have always been worried about 40mm dress watches. Yes the UJ has nice lugs but.........we shall see!
Yes (sigh), trying a watch on.... The ultimate arbiter!
You certainly have a right to a reservation about 40mm. Of course this depends on wrist size. But what struck me immediately was the versatility of the piece. You, yourself, pointed to this mentioning that strap. So my thoughts about 40 may be more forgiv...
I must confess
that I did not expect so many responses to this piece especially only a day before I had posted a thread on two gorgeous Moritz Grossmann watches have received a third less views and responses. I always feel if a watch is meant to be mine, it will be
Your KV is spectacular
and as you probably know that for many years, Kari spent a lot of time at Urban Jurgensen hence his influence noticeable on the guilloche dial and the hands. But the KV's movement takes some beating and is in a league above the UJ, as good as the UJ is.
I think you may be in error...
The movement is an UJ in-house movement from everything I have heard and read on the P4. I know their older PCs were Fredric Piguet movements and they acknowledged this on their website.
I have it from reliable sources
ie Monochrome Watches and SJX watches that confirm the the P4 movement is constructed by Jean Francois Mojon of Chronode. The older movements were Frederic Piguet as you correctly stated. Perhaps it is worth mentioning here that Kari Voutiainen and Jean F...
Today, I finally managed to view the watch in London
Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately, I found the dial colour not very appealing and the size of the watch a tad too large at 40mm. I did however buy myself a Rolex datejust in 36mm in steel. I shall cover that in a separate post. My first Rolex!!!