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They all have their individual issues but it’s hardly a foolproof segment for sure 😊👍🏻
The EQS still uses 400V technology and did not deliver in some key areas like rear seat comfort, while the design was an in-between house of too ‘aerodynamic’ for the segment (to be nice about it) for Europe and old fashioned for China. For the latter the interior and especially the infotainment simply do not compete at the right level 🤷🏻♂️
The I7 has been designed primarily with the Asian markets in mind (visually it seems to struggle in Europe) and while I saw more of them in Shanghai during the recent trips than Taycans and EQSs combined, they were still rare as hens’ teeth. Here the manufacturer also tries not too push too hard (all electric BMWs were removed from some leasing programs, as the hot they take on the trade in is too high) for short term profit reasons.
As for the Taycan, it’s quite a nice car in the current second generation, but doesn’t really have space for four, so again a tough sell in the Asian market and in all honesty even though I like driving it I know the family would not like it, as it’s simply too cramped.
Back to Jaguar - it’s a question of alternatives. The in-house Ingenium engines didn’t deliver and the huge investment probably prevents Jaguar from doing this again. The long in the tooth V8 was replaced by a BMW unit but I guess powering the whole line-up by purchased engines would not work at this price point and a supplier would need to be found who’s willing to do it.
And as was mentioned here, the JLR division of focus between SUVs for LR/RR and a mix of cars and SUVs for Jaguar is detrimental for the latter in the current market environment.
So I find the current strategy risky but probably the best bet in the ‘between a rock and a hard place’ position that the company finds itself 🤷🏻♂️
They are mad that we are furious because they are idiots
At least they have time to redesign the car between now and Dec 2 when they promise to show us something more than that ridiculous video I had to start a new thread; the first one is too long! and this subject looks to stick around for awhile! Jaguar has ...
Seriously, that must have been an impressive presentation to the Board!
Fortune favors the bold, no? Time will tell.
It's easy to look and laugh
I understand the confusion and disbelief of the rebranding... but, you know, clearly the demographic they were aiming is not interested anymore in Jaaag. They prefer Porsches and Lexus nowadays. Jaguar obviously needs to catch some attention to survive. I...
I quite liked the last xj
Lots of wood, leather, interior infinitely nicer place to be than the concurrent s class/7 series bunkers. Real sense of spaciousness and design in that cabin. I think 2015 ish when they introduced the xe and replaced all the wood and leather with plastic...
Back in the day, it took years of dedication to work your way from the mailroom to the boardroom.
This process instilled the core values of the company and burdened those that took the reins with the weight to safely further the company to the next generation. Today, people are given control to companies without proving their mettle to responsibly gui...
I do understand the reactions of most of your posts, but…
what will we really miss? The F-Type? The E-Pace? Let’s face it, Jag has nothing to lose by starting from scratch. Glorious past aside, there’s nothing worth nurturing left in this brand. Now, how their new adventure will turn out is obviously an open que...
No really!?!
Very surprised to hear this from you. It’s like a date window on wheels 😂
Not me
I would replace my 2005 XJ only by a 2005 XK! I hope to see something sexy coming from them. The only brand currently producing a sexy car is Alpine IMVHO. All the rest is purely lost and grotesque.
Quite curious what we will see on December the 2nd…
I understand the frustration here and after having seen the video it’s certainly not how I would have gone about it 😊 At the same time we need to face the facts. After the turnaround by Edwardes that finally led to the brand being sold to Ford, it’s not b...
One more thing…
The video was viewed by around 160 million people, probably more than all previous Jaguar advertisements together 😉😂 The reactions are mixed it seems because but if one in a thousand of those who watched it likes it enough to go for a car that’s more than...
The new cars need to great and compelling
I am a long time and satisfied Jag owner, but have already been waiting several years to replace my 2013 Supercharged XF and actively monitored any movement for new models. My impressions are that the Land Rover models received much more priority inside J...
You have hot one of the most important issues…
Namely the SUV. In the past the division between Jaguar and LR / RR made a lot of sense but less so recently. While the F-Pace was in some ways critically acclaimed and the twin to the RR Velar, it was difficult to justify doing two of each in the SUV fie...
Jag
I wished Jag followed the route of Aston Martin. Classy cars combining handcraft and modern technology to separate from the main OEMs. There is a niche for a more sporty sedan for self-driving costumers that do not opt for a Bentley or Rolls due to their ...
It’s a risky strategy…
And Aston Martin is a perfect example of a brand that lost money more often than not. The current approach combining proven technology from AMG with management from Ferrari seems to look very promising. The problem generally is scale - with Jaguar having ...
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I fully agree. However, competing with Taycan, EQS and I7 (and not Spectre) is also risky. These cars stand their tyres flat in the show rooms….
They all have their individual issues but it’s hardly a foolproof segment for sure 😊👍🏻
The EQS still uses 400V technology and did not deliver in some key areas like rear seat comfort, while the design was an in-between house of too ‘aerodynamic’ for the segment (to be nice about it) for Europe and old fashioned for China. For the latter the...