Jaguar F Type. A car I considered.

Nov 16, 2022,17:45 PM

The R is tops,  of course, but a good 3.0 Engine would do the job. 

More GT and much heavier than an Alpine for example. Still, this body makes me dream, again. 

Credit; Car and Classic:

Official picture. Coupé or convertible?  wink 



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It's glorious.

 By: InHavenPro : November 16th, 2022-18:12
Another Ian Callum penned masterpiece. I had the pleasure and privilege to drive both the regular and R version back in 2016. Obviously, the R is considerably more powerful and sporty, but both are massively enjoyable sports cars.... Cheers, Filip

Worth getting it ....

 By: InHavenPro : November 16th, 2022-20:55
just for the incredible exhaust sound!!


 By: InHavenPro : November 16th, 2022-21:16
I suggest not doing the test drive


 By: amanico : November 16th, 2022-21:20

One of my co-workers has

 By: Thomas_3 : November 16th, 2022-18:26
the F-Type R, AWD, it is one bad ass car.

Lucky him!

 By: amanico : November 16th, 2022-20:50

Car had a very loose back end.

 By: patrick_y : November 16th, 2022-18:46
Ian Callum knows how to design cars. But after test driving this car, I immediately noticed the back end was very loose while executing a turn onto a freeway onramp. You could feel the grip wasn't sufficient in the rear during the turn. But what a beautif... 

Interesting. And sad!

 By: amanico : November 16th, 2022-20:51

Consider an Aston Martin Vantage!

 By: patrick_y : November 16th, 2022-23:03
The Vantage N420 (year 2015 and later) are amazing cars with a very nice steering rack (significant improvement over some of the earlier Vantage steering racks) where the ratio was changed and to me feels better. The Ian Callum and Henrik Fisker Vantage i... 

You big Tempter!!! ;)

 By: amanico : November 16th, 2022-23:22

It's really you!

 By: patrick_y : November 16th, 2022-23:38
It's one of those last old-school very little computer driven cars. Very mechanical. Super emotional. It's not technically brilliant like a Lamborghini Huracan. But it's fun in its own right. The Lamborghini Huracan is technically brilliant and also very ... 

You know what I like. Yes.

 By: amanico : November 17th, 2022-07:21

Yes. A lot of plastic parts inside.

 By: patrick_y : November 16th, 2022-23:00
I wonder if the older cars rattle and creak.


 By: convexproblem : November 23rd, 2022-11:35
I liked the F type exterior more than any Aston Martin, but I rented one, and I just could not get over the interior.

I've got to sit in an Alpine.

 By: patrick_y : November 24th, 2022-17:49
Alpine had a store on Champs Elysee but they didn't want a thousand people a day to go into the cars due to COVID. Which is fair. But that also meant I didn't get a chance to see the interior.

Next time you are in Paris.

 By: amanico : November 24th, 2022-18:10

Sounds good!

 By: patrick_y : November 24th, 2022-18:29


 By: amanico : November 24th, 2022-18:53

Considered it as well along with the Cayman…

 By: myles721 : November 16th, 2022-18:59
I landed up turbocharging my 370Z…which had a skid pad of .98…my next logical move would have been the GTR but I think Tesla Plaid looms large unless a faster EV is released… but of all of them the Jaguar is definitely easiest on the eyes.

Liked the TT..

 By: myles721 : November 16th, 2022-21:54
The standard Cayman was beaten on the track by the Z and would never own an Alfa for reliability issues and of course Alpine is hence there was the Z…🤷🏻‍♂️

Cayman is an excellent car...

 By: patrick_y : November 16th, 2022-23:21
The problem with the Cayman is on-limit handling grip isn't perfect. It depends on how you drive the car. If you're looking for something to drive on racetracks with a combination of high speed and low speed corners, the Cayman will do well on the high sp... 

Yes. I can imagine!

 By: patrick_y : November 16th, 2022-23:35
This is the benefit of having a double wishbone suspension front and rear. Some cars have it in the front (like Alfa 4C, but not Porsche Cayman) but very few have it front and rear (super exotics like McLaren, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini have front... 

Thanks for checking!

 By: patrick_y : November 18th, 2022-07:27
Does that mean it's a wet sump or a dry sump? At the bottom of the engine is there an oil pan (which would suggest wet sump) or is there no oil pan and an external oil reservoir (which would suggest dry sump). Dry sump is better for a sports car. As the e... 

Probably wet sump.

 By: convexproblem : November 23rd, 2022-11:29
"Real" dry sump vs. "integrated" like on a Cayman or BMW M3 is not really a big deal IMO. The main difference is true dry sump creates vacuum in the crankcase, reducing windage loss. Even though the AM engine is dry sumped, the max power is lackluster com... 

I would say that there are short maneuvers of under 1.2 G that would cause significant engine damage...

 By: patrick_y : November 24th, 2022-00:59
Remember, the engine won't "blow up." But you'll get a small burnt smell coming from the engine immediately after the high g-force maneuver. And then you'll realize that you have to add a quart of oil every 2000 km of driving when you never had to do that... 

For sure, I was talking more hypothetically

 By: convexproblem : November 24th, 2022-17:28
The S65/S85 bearings weren't sized correctly from the factory so they die even with oil. Most engines can tolerate a small amount of oil aeration without losing the bearings quickly, and in practice you're not just doing a hard left turn long enough to us... 

The baffles do work in the corners...

 By: patrick_y : November 24th, 2022-17:58
The baffles do work in the corners if they're short and only last a couple seconds. If they're long sweeping corners, I'm told the baffles definitely can't prevent some oil starvation after several seconds. In either case, I like electric cars! Just about... 

I think you can corner maybe like 10 seconds before running out of oil

 By: convexproblem : November 24th, 2022-18:20
Which is enough for almost every track. Electric cars usually have ball/needle bearings for the motors so no need for active oil pumping. The transmission is just a usual fluid bathed gearset. It's more efficient if you have a pump that sprays oil at the ... 


 By: patrick_y : November 24th, 2022-18:30
I was thinking the same thing... I hope the gears aren't literally sitting in standing fluid, that's a lot of fluid dynamic drag! But you're probably right!

The problem with 370Z is lubrication...

 By: patrick_y : November 16th, 2022-23:06
The 350Z was a nice car on the track. Bad brakes, but nice rear differential. If you're routinely driving at 0.98 G-force, you're going to experience engine oil starvation. Thus, for any sort of aggressive driving, I really see no way around a dry sump lu... 

Yes….excellent observations…I drove the heck out of the Z…there were initial oil temp

 By: myles721 : November 17th, 2022-00:59
Issues but as the rings broke in that eventually dissipated…yes agree the breaks suck (wished they had stayed with the brembos) but I will say the taconic on NY is challenging and if I was in front it was very hard for 911’s , Jags, Audis to pass me in th... 

I've never met a Jag that really drove well...

 By: patrick_y : November 17th, 2022-01:20
I never drove the 370, but I imagine that it's somewhat similar to the 350. 350 was good. Just don't overdo the G-forces. Even BMW M3s get oil starvation problems if you take corners too quickly. For sustained high g-force driving, gotta get dry sump! Or ... 

Actually I owned both the 350 and the 370…

 By: myles721 : November 17th, 2022-01:29
Not even remotely the same car. Because I put so many miles on both I’ll try to be brief..,the 370 being shorter wider and lighter…much better suspension…much more rigid…wider power band…and faster (not even factoring the twin turbo) not at all the same c... 

Good to know!

 By: patrick_y : November 17th, 2022-12:37
Now I wished I had experienced the 370!


 By: amanico : November 17th, 2022-22:46


 By: mdg : November 16th, 2022-20:55
…there were some screaming deals on these. Americans usually go for the big V8s though : )

Great looking “modern” Jaguar.

 By: RabidManatee : November 17th, 2022-01:50
Haven’t driven one. Strikes me as being heavy. I think your Alpine would be more fun to drive on back roads, whereas the Jag may be a better “GT”/highway cruiser, at least here in the U.S. Might be able to find the Jag with a manual transmission..?

My wife ALMOST chose the F Type...

 By: Thaddeus : November 25th, 2022-05:38
Back in 2016 my wife decided it was time to bring a sporty 2-seater into our lives. She test drove Audi, Lotus, BMW M3, F Type, and then on a whim she drove a Corvette C7. The Vette stole her heart. She said that the choice was made because the Vette had ...