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Interesting comments, as usual.
I don't follow you on the Dato, but maybe is it due to the fact that I owned it for several years and that I was used to live with it?
I mean, to me, the Dato, as an Iconic watch it is, is a kind of alchimy.
Change one fo the parameters, and it will not work anymore.
When you compare the two dials, the original is unbeatable: Massive, but balanced, strong but elegant... It has been thought for the watch.
Here, you think bigger case, so bigger dial... The spaces, the volumes are not managed in the same way than the original, and the natural coherence / personality of the dial is lost.
Less impressive, more busy, more Double split than Dato, more aseptised....
The lugs are shorter on the new one, which can be easily understood, as it would not be easily wearable if the lugs were slimmer and longer on the new one, but it is a " trait d'élégance " which disappears, too.
Certainly it will please more to the new clients, than to the old school guys.
As for the Saxonia Thin, to reduce the gap between the diameter of the case and the diameter of the movement would have been a good idea.
2 millimeters less would have been good, and would no have compromised the ratio size / height too much, I think.
But I see what you mean, here.
Best,
Nicolas
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Lange 2012 SIHH: My view on the novelties.
This year, Lange unveiled 5 watches. One is a real novelty, the Lange One Tourbillon Perpetual Calendar. Two can be seen as a deep evolution of two famous models, the Datograph Up - Down, and the Grande Lange one. And the two last models, the Lange One Ti...
May I congratulate you on ,,
your photo skills,you are improving all the time and I think that these are probably the best pics you have taken...warm and sensual..very good.... Well,every watch is wellk executed a la Lange ,but seems like nothing convinced you fully.As you know I agr...
Still looking for an inspired watch.
My top six Lange are still the Datograph 1st generation, the Langematik Anniversary, the 1815 MP in platinum, the Lange One Pt Black dial, the Cabaret Pt black dial and the Richard Lange PLM Pt. None of the unveiled watches this year made me " WOW ". Mayb...
Dial colours were once a Lange strength
I think they should bring back their more varied dial options. Black and blue dials were a real feature of early Lange.
Wow, real life pics!
Thanks for them Nico! +1 to Mo's comment about those photos of yours are looking spectacular! For me, this year's offering from Lange doesn't really excited me that much. Don't get me wrong, some of them are really great addition to the Lange line up but ...
Well, Sidney
Why not automatic, if the movement enjoys a three quarter rotor? Some will tell me that a three quarter rotor may not bring enough power reserve to the watch, I would answer that Patek, wih their Micro Rotor ( Cal 240 ) succeeded in reaching 60 hours. I d...
big date
the overlapping dials for the big date always struck me as a flawed approach for such an elegant watch, so i'm glad that's been addressed. i think the hour markers on the tourbillon look a little out of keeping with the overall aesthetic. there's an infor...
No real, no new beauty: that is true - just technical marvels
But still a very nice line up, certainly: - the auto pp calendar tourbi is top with all its jumping indications (but still I wonder if the retrograd hands jumps up also instantly?) - a new movement in the Grand Lange with only one mainspring and nicely th...
Position of dials
No doubt they're all beautiful and rarefied. Now, I always think the point of having an asymmetric hour dial is so that the time peeps out just under your left hand ('majority') cuff so that you can discreetly glance at the time. What do you think? I thin...
If you want to have a discrete look at the Time, buy a Panerai.
Your Boss won't see you looking at the Time, and you will have no problem to read the Time on such a big watch. Did you try to have a quick look at the Time on an assymetric dial, which is, par nature, small? That is quite an impossible mission. But who, ...
Thanks Nicolas for your report and your personnal impressions !
Your photos give a remarkable view on the novelties, thanks NIcolas for your work. - the Perpetual Calendar tourbillon. A fantastic complication presented in a very sober way. This kind of offer is rare nowadays. great job done. I love the dial and the wa...
Well, it is a matter of taste, Cisco.
Some will apprciate this collection, others not. I wonder if it is not a clivage between old and new clients, which makes the difference in the appreciation. We are a lot to have lived the first days of the Lange Rebirth, and to have be enthusiasted in th...
maybe :)
Like you I like to see how a brand evolved through times, an old one like Vacheron or Patek, or something recent like Lange or Richard Mille. Some are not much interested from what was done before. It is important for me, not to "betray" what makes the br...
that side by side picture of the Datographs ...
... was revelation. The old version looks so clearly superior, in my opinion. Thanks for that great report. Best Andreas
Thanks a lot for the report Nicolas.
I have a lot to say and good point for the discussion, I tend to disagree on some of your comments (and I agree on others). - I really like the Datograph and the power reserve display doesn't disturb me. - the PC Tourbillon is technically impressive (I wi...
Interesting comments, as usual.
I don't follow you on the Dato, but maybe is it due to the fact that I owned it for several years and that I was used to live with it? I mean, to me, the Dato, as an Iconic watch it is, is a kind of alchimy. Change one fo the parameters, and it will not w...
Power reserve display.
Thanks for your answer Nicolas. I just want to add that the power reserve display has an interest here: to gain space to put a slimmer but longer mainspring, Lange removed the Maltese Cross on top of the barrel which purpose was to insure the optimal ampl...
So: it is not a power reserve indicator, more a "do not wind too much" indicator?
Thank you very much for the insight into this technically interesting detail! My conclusion here would be: - the malteser cross is made redundant by the new, more powerful mainspring with better linearity (!) as well. - the second purpose of being a safet...
No, no Moritz.
The purpose of the Maltese cross was to "reduce" the power reserve in order that the watch always works with the best amplitude. So with the new Datograph, at the very end of the power reserve, it could have a less accurate behaviour. The power reserve in...
I think the perpetual calendar tourbillon is fantastic
Here is why I have to disagree with Nicolas. The perpetual calendar dial is perfectly understated. The time-indicating function is positioned conveniently for a discreet glance , without offending the person engaged in a conversation that has shot beyond ...
When it comes to aesthetics, Narsi, it is hard to reach consensus.
And you are absolutely correct, this is a subjective matter, which may please to some, and not please to others. At the end, it will be to everybody to make his own opinion, from what he feels. As for the automatic movement, let's say that this big rotor ...
Month on the ring
I was reading your comments and it just came to mind that the new Cartier annual calendar also has the months on a perimeter ring. Interesting design there too. Doing so does make effective use of limited dial space I guess.
Tour perpetual is a beautiful watch
t does not quicken my pulse, nor do any of these offerings... BUT I appreciate the excellence, and would be proud to wear them. I PREFER VERY MUCH the new Dato for its improved overall balance of design, and baton markers. I guess I'll need to see the Sax...
Thanks for your input, Mostel, and don't hesitate to come back
To us when you see them! Best, Nicolas.
Agree & Not
Nicolas, Thank you for the great post and nice pictures. Seeing the two Dato's next to each other quickly leads me to 100% agree with you (even though I originally liked the up/down indicator idea). The original is much better, better proportioned and jus...
There is another Automatic Tourbillon Perpetual Calendar....
Look at the offer from a certain Swiss Cousin, JLC: The Master Grande Tradition Perpetual Calendar Tourbillon... For less than half the price of the Lange offer, but not with the same degree of finish, I agree. I think the problem I have is to consider it...
Thanks for sharing your feelings Nicolas
Always a quite sensible difference between touching even for a short time a watch and just admiring pics. I guess Lange has spread positive evolutions over many watches of the collection, for the best, even if not always spectacular (except maybe for the ...
Nico, thank you for your report and photos.........
I was awaiting such an article, so that I could see some "real" photos rather than the published ones. I found the thread most interesting and I thank Narsi for confirming my question re the chapter ring and the small arrow marker. Like other members have...
Ewiger Kalender
The perpetual kalender is gorgeous. The dial is clean, easy to read, and its caliber is perfect. I think it can be not improved. Thanks, Nico.
Mon ami, did you wrote something wrongly?
The Saxonia Thin is available in WG yes, but NOT in Platinum, at least to my understanding? Please correct me if i am wrong! Danke for the coverage ! Stephen
I don't know why I wrote platinum. I checked on the Lange documents
Once again, and no mention of a platinum case. When dreams are over reality... Nex year, it may well turn into reality... Best, Nicolas
RL PLM ... how about that one being your first Lange, Imran?
At least it caught your attention ... a lot, didn't it ? Regards Moritz
Thanks Nico for bringing your thought on this ...
What I was hoping for in a Daymatic moon phase was over exceeded by the Tourbillion perpetual novelty. Both smiling and crying as it will break the bank. I was hoping for an automatic Time Zone, maybe next year. Both of these models could be my first Lang...
Datograph debate continues...
Like everyone else on here I was keen to see the new datograph side by side with the old in real life which Nicolas has provided. Thank you Nicolas. I was convinced that the new datograph was nicer than the old when first announced but now Im not so sure!...
Well, the more I see these 2, the more I think the former had more character and strenght. [nt]
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I agree with you on this, Nico.
Yes. "The Classic Datograph has more character". This says it all. The new one is technically impeccable and aesthetically well balanced,. BUT it lacks the elements that make the original Datograph's strong personality. We are in agreement here. Une fois ...
I agree with the distinguished Parisian persuader.
But I am admittedly a tad impartial. Best, DatoJed
No, it couldn't be.
I was tested for that at my annual check-up with the doctor and the results were negative! ;-)
Well, I was awaiting your remarks
After some in-the-flesh-time with the revised Datograph. Your sentiments do not surprise me. If not for the overwhelming success of the Datograph, I think we could better receive this new piece. Alas, you are right. The triangular order, the driving force...
I think this is the point, Michael.
Those who lived several years with the first Dato on their wrist or in their dreams may well remain stuck with it, while new clients may well appreciate it. A bit like cars... Carburator or injection? When you tasted the pleasure of carburators for many y...
Marvelous pics indeed!
The movements are simply incredible. I personally like the new Dato. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for great photos and summary
(tell me about your set up in such a messy lighting situation someday ) I find myself still expecting and pursuing or be attracted by the first 14 years Lange DNA (94-08). Nonetheless, I still respect them - they did not announce any "dragon watch" There ...
Exactly the same feeling, here, Ken.
I am still waiting for the WOW factor. As for Dragon watches, I didn't even notice them. Best, my friend, and thanks for your nicely written input. Nicolas
Me likes the L1 Tourbillon Perpetual Nicolas...
You can go ahead and get this one in PT for my up coming birthday ;-D Thanks for your report. Best, -- Richard. This message has been edited by =RWK= on 2012-01-23 21:45:24
My view on the novelties is that they are ALL EXCELLENT.
I love each of the new watches released this year, as much as i love the previous ones, and can see no reason to complain. Lange is still the finest brand in the world.