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A few comments...

 

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your candor - its nice that we can have this type of dialogue here....

Regarding your comments about a tourbillon being for "dress watches" - I dont disagree, but it has to do with the total overall asthetic of the watch.  To me, the diving tourbillons are somewhat silly - but the RM is utilizing what was once a cutting edge design (AL Breguet's life)  and has inspired an entire new genre and style of wristwatch design which, for better or worse, has inspired countless copies and blatant imitators. 

I think its a bit harsh to say that someone with look silly wearing a RM tourbillon.  Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, but that's what I believe you were implying. 

Also  - regarding your comments about a Tourb not being simple - I discussed this a bit below in my response, but I was refering more to the overall design and appearance of the watch, not the complication per se.  Last I checked, the split of the 004 is probably the most complex looking watch I've ever seen.  I have a lot of respect for that particular watch but I need to be able to read the time.  To me, form and function have equal weight.  The 004 is a beautiful watch and one which is worthy of anyone's consideration when refering to RM. 

What's interesting to me is that you appear to be an avid supporter of this brand, but if you dont believe that the tourbillon fits into the "design" of the watch, that might casue a conflict.  But, that's why all brands make multiple models - so that you and I both buy watches! smile.

Be well and thanks again,

Adam 

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Crash Course requested - Thoughts on 002, 003

 
By: asg : September 23rd, 2008-15:05
Hi - This might be one of my first posts in the RM forum. I havent really visiting here all that much. RM is a brand which I have always admired and do love the quality these watches have. Richard himself is an extremely cordial guy - I met him a few time... 

my thoughts on RM002, RM003

 
By: eric.vonschonberg : September 24th, 2008-01:30
I also don't find the tourbilon fits well with the Richard Mille racing motif. It doesn't make any sense at all. I can see a tourbillon on a fancy dress watch, but on a Richard Mille it's like wearing a pair of blue jeans with a tailored suit that has tai... 

A few comments...

 
By: asg : September 24th, 2008-14:16
Hi Eric, Thank you for your candor - its nice that we can have this type of dialogue here.... Regarding your comments about a tourbillon being for "dress watches" - I dont disagree, but it has to do with the total overall asthetic of the watch. To me, the... 

this may seem unusual ...

 
By: eric.vonschonberg : September 25th, 2008-02:23
But, with pretty much all watch brands, I like very few of the watches. For example, I like Patek quite a bit, but dislike almost everything that brand has to offer! I especially can't stand the entire Patek Nautilus line. But, the Pateks I like, such as ... 

Point 1 is open to endless debate you are no doubt aware

 
By: ei8htohms : September 25th, 2008-03:40
I personally disagree that tourbillons are somehow only approriate for pocket watches nor that they cannot increase accuracy in a wristwatch if implemented and adjusted with some care. Whether the efforts required could be considered reasonable in light o... 

Tourbillons

 
By: Elbow : September 25th, 2008-05:01
I can't think of a more useless complication than a minute repeater, unless you happen to be blind or live at the north pole. As I understand it, most everyday tourbillons are still OEM'd by a small number of workshops that supply many of the brands that ... 

it's not; debate is for subjective matters

 
By: eric.vonschonberg : September 25th, 2008-11:10
The *fact* that tourbillons provide no improvement in accuracy in a wristwatch is not a subjective matter open to debate. Debate is for subjective matters, such as aesthetics. It's a good thing that objective things that can be measured are not debated. I... 

you'll have to forgive me

 
By: ei8htohms : September 25th, 2008-16:53
Eric, I am a simple man of cautiously formed opinions, and it seems that "facts" rarely if ever reveal themselves to me. As much as I've read on the subject, spoken with some of the world's most respected authorities on the matter and observed tourbillons... 

some background reading on tourbillons

 
By: eric.vonschonberg : September 25th, 2008-22:54
basics: en.wikipedia.org some more technical details: www.antiquorum.com www.clockmaker.it

not exactly definitive reading

 
By: ei8htohms : September 26th, 2008-00:14
Hello Eric, Wikipedia is obviously not the most reliable source on technical issues in a niche field. I'm sure you realize that it's written by whomever has an interest in saying something on the subject, and in fact I've written and/or edited portions of... 

Thanks!

 
By: matayanant : September 28th, 2008-10:12
Thanks for the info regarding Tourbillion . I wasn't aware that not only the feature itself isn't quite necessary, but it's also fragile. This info save me a bundle of money from having to pay for something that I don't need.

John and Andrew H pretty much...

 
By: Rob : September 24th, 2008-07:19
sums it up BEST. Being a fan of RM watches myself, I have to agree that titanium 002 is pretty much the best representation of RM. Just my own two cents...

Thank you all...

 
By: asg : September 24th, 2008-13:41
I appreciate the advice and insight. Its nice to get the insight of a wide variety of collectors. At least everyone on this board isn't afraid to give a real opinion. I agree to an extent about the chrono being "race inspired" - but take a step back...its...