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A watch for the avant-garde and the purist: the Ellipse
Hello gurugeek
First I would say that Patek does do some very, very beautiful watches, regardless complicated or not.
It is in this field (design) the benchmark.
The only thing that is lacking with many Pateks is: a lack of romantic mood and conclusiveness.
This is more a strong point of Lange.
Back to Pateks:
you get the Patek feeling with ANY of the modells.
Therefore it is "economical" to buy a simple watch.
This is why the 5127 is sold out, was removed from the Patek collection in 2007 or 2008 and had a comeback in the collection
as too popular: what is not to like???
If you want to consider economics further: the 5712 and your choise of the Ellipse are "economically" speaking the same in behaviour.
That means in very polite words: the argument to say that the Ellipse is less popular does not matter.
The depreciation should be in terms of the figure the same (not in percentage, but in real figure).
I went for the classic golden Ellipse as I love yellow gold and find it looks best.
But I considered at the time the 5127 as well, as I said: what is not to like in this classic three hand watch?
I did not go for the "economically wiser" decision and purchsed the Ellipse as a (none watch fan) friend told me:
"The 5127 looks very nice, but the Ellipse looks special."
You can wear it perfectly well in the winter with a tight fitting cashmere jumper as a daily waerer, you can wear it best to a sharp looking
suit / tuxedo or even in the summer to a flower pattern blue shirt to give it a "rock style" look with jeans and boots.
I know the last said sounds "unbelieveable" but I was thinking to post a picture of this combination and maybe your inquiry is the best
occasion to do so.
The 5127 is nice but I do not see the point of a sports watch with a moonphase and as I mentioned at the start: lacks in conclusiveness.
I find it too big too.
But as Kari said: buy what you like!
Enjoy your time here.
Best
Moritz
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Patek 3738/100G-012 white gold Golden Ellipse vs Calatrava 5127 vs Nautilus 5712G-001
My first and so far only Patek is the Calatrava 5127G which I found ideal because of the size and understatement. I am using this everyday and I think it is truly gorgeous. I was lucky to find one in store just before Christmas and have been very happy wi...
Some pictures
Patek Nautilus Annual Calendar ref. 5726. Size 40.5 mm. Patek Travel Time ref. 5134P, diameter 37 mm. Patek Calatrava ref. 5196P. Size 37 mm. Patek Golden Ellipse 3738/100-G. Size 31.1 x 35.6 mm. Patek Nautilus ref. 3712. Size 40 mm. The wrist is always t...
great fotos
thanks a lot for the gorgeous pictures :) I think my wrist is 8 cm or around that so perhaps much smaller ! All watches look great on you. Note the new ellipse has now a grey dial (WG version) I am sure that collectors are perhaps more attracted by the tr...
Golden Ellipse in WG ref. 3738
is nowadays offered with gray dial. Mine is the old version with blue dial but the size is the same. Don't pay any attention what collectors like and what collectors don't like. There are also fashionable watches that might be "in" today but very much "ou...
yes both are gorgeous
Thanks Karl, Truly I did consider your point about getting the Nautilus because of the extra complication that makes it indeed a totally different watch and at a different price point. One think I dislike a bit is the need to switch strap in order to use ...
Indeed,
also 5124G is a wonderful watch - I have it in front of me in an open box even I'm wearing just now Aquanaut 5167. Some of the watches I would never give away from my small collection are 3738, 3712 and 5124G. They all are very different but they all are ...
nice gondolo !
The 5124G was the first Patek I wanted to buy. It is truly gorgeous and special ! I have not got this yet and went for the 5127G as the automatic/date combination + the great classic design made it more interesting. It was also rare to see it available be...
Congratulations for your 3738
In my opinion every good Patek collection contains one Golden Ellipse. I agree, 5124G is a very special watch. It feels great on the wrist and the dial is something very special. Best, Kari
3738/100G-012
Dear Kari: Somehow we still haven't ed dconnectedness. I tried to call you several times on the appointed day- Friday without
I do not know what went wrong...
Now I am in Cuba but from Thursday in Europe. My phone will be a couple of hours off on Thursday and Saturday due to some flights. Best Kari
Good to hear from you
Dear Kari: You sure get around. Could you possibly text/email me when you are available and I\'ll call you? My mobile is 978 9854885 (US) and email is wsheikh@ Thank you so very much. Andreas
I will try to do so in the beginning of the week.
I came home after midnight, now I pack for London, will be back on Sunday but on Monday morning I need to go to Finland. I should slow down already next Wednesday. Best, Kari
First of all, a warm welcome ...
at PuristSPro and to the world of Patek Philippe. You just bought your first PP a few weeks ago and you say you are very happy with it. Why are you looking for something new, something to add ...? What are you missing or looking for? You just got the PP i...
thank you .. I agree
Hello Oliver and thanks for your kind welcome :) I bought the 5127G in early december as my own Christmas present. I intend to buy the PP 3738 as a birthday present to myself ! (and hopefully not planning any other major purchase after this). I am not rea...
I hope our Count is reading this post
because he's a strong advocate of Golden Ellipse. If you want a really light and thin Patek but not another Calatrava, 3738 or 5124 is the way to go. PS. Patek Salon in Geneva had a couple of Golden Ellipse folding clasps in WG left one year ago. It fits ...
And you Kari: a big Ellipse fan too!
Blue and white looks also very, vey good, I must say. Best Moritz
I'm a Finn
and thus the most beautiful combination for me is blue and white. Yellow and blue is very Swedish and we love the Swedes like the Dutch love the Belgians... I can't imagine finer Golden Ellipse than mine. It wasn't easy to find but I place this WG above t...
A watch for the avant-garde and the purist: the Ellipse
Hello gurugeek First I would say that Patek does do some very, very beautiful watches, regardless complicated or not. It is in this field (design) the benchmark. The only thing that is lacking with many Pateks is: a lack of romantic mood and conclusivenes...
very nice in blue
Very nice in blue/yellow gold. I think this is probably the most popular among the ellipse as I couldn't find it in the PP boutique or few AD. This was fine to me as I was anyway looking for a white gold one. Thanks a lot for your summary re: it could go ...
got the Patek 3738/100G-012 golden ellipse white gold - mini review
Dear all, thanks for posting your photos and wise comments ! Thanks to for the photos and count de monet for the sound advice - and to everyone that confirmed how personal buying such a watch is ! I went to sleep dreaming and thinking about the ellipse a...
That looks fantastic
Many congratulations. I think the strap looks wonderful - perfect color for this combination. It is great not to think about resale and value and just go with what you love - the sign of a real connoisseur . I wish you many years of enjoyment with your ne...
Thanks Gurugeek..........
For a most interesting post. :) Your two choices make perfect stable mates. Regards Tony
thans ZJ - resale value sometimes a myth
Thanks ZJ! I think that sometimes resale value is a bit of a myth and every buyer should handle it with care. Of course there are more experienced collectors with the capacity to "move" pieces in and out of the collection easily - with the skill and good ...
Some very crisp pictures there
Nice to see that you went "all" the way you wanted it to be and did not choose a different strap. On one picture the dial looks even braunish. Many tahnks for some more beautiful pictures fom the Ellipse for the archieve here. Congrats and enjoy! Best Mor...
thank you count
Thank you Moritz. Indeed I feel the ellipse doesn't have as many pictures around so hopefully it might be of some use to the forums and other members.
Looks great.
and the Golden Ellipse is really of the right size to your wrist. Have you thought about the cuff links already? Best, Kari
cuff links on order :)
Thanks Kari ! I did order the cufflinks and the AD will let me now this week how long will it take to get them e.g. if they are available in Geneva or if it takes much longer. The PP boutique had only the yellow gold blue and yellow gold brown cufflinks n...
Fantastic!
Now the bad news: if you decide to buy 5712 later, also matching cuff links are available and those are more expensive than the ones for Golden Ellipse. Anyhow, a Patek with matching cuff links is a very cool combination. Best, Kari
cufflinks are nice but..
I am not sure I will go with the calatrava ones perhaps they look as a bit too much for me. I had my shirts mostly done with regular buttons so perhaps I will just take the ellipse ones and see but never say never :) They should have more stock ..at least...
I like the round Calatrava cuff links
because I have in all of my leather strap Pateks the folding clasp with Calatrava Cross. Think how cheap it is: just buy a pair of YG, RG, and WG Calatrava cross cuff links and you can have an unlimited amount of alligator strapped Patek Philippe watches!...
I agree entirely on the size - how does the ellipse compare to a round case?
..forgot to mention that I agree entirely on the wrist which was a main consideration for me (and weight too. The Calatrava 5127 is around 76 gr with strap and the ellipse 55 or so with strap). I was wondering if I could pick your experience to understand...
I would say that Golden Ellipse is like any
35-36 mm dress watch. It feels on the wrist like my 5120J. The watch does not feel too small because it's so slim and well balanced. Best, Kari
Question on Golden Ellipse in White Gold
Wow almost two years with my while gold Golden Ellipse ! I do have a question for you all more experience collectors: does anyone know when this new model in white gold was launched by Patek? was it 2012 or 2010 ? Before? Perhaps you do have an older cata...
wondering about the Golden Ellipse PP or Geneva Seal
For the 5127 It was easier to spot that it has the new PP seal I am curious to know if the ellipse I bought has the PP or the geneva seal. Nothing mentioned on the certificate of origin so I guess the only way to know would be to open it ? :)
It should have the PP seal ... should :-) ...
NOT to worry you as this little detail is just "academic" and I am more fond of the Geneva seal anyway, it is still possible that it has got the Geneva seal. BUT I did not see a Geneva seal for a long time on a new Patek movement. Best Moritz
I love my Ellipse and depends where you are in the world
If you see any last time I was in Geneva I saw two people wearing them in the same cafe. ...
1991 and the model is 3747 this dial was only available
On the gold bracelet but a customer requested it on the leather strap model so they can't be many around, you made a fine choice with your ellipse you have to buy a watch because you like it as its a personal item.
I hope that it has the PP seal
I too think that it should have the PP seal. Unless it was really in stock since 2009 (I hope not!) it should come with the new seal. I saw some of the reasons on why some or many preferred the Geneva seal but frankly after having seen and tried a Roger D...
Eclipse vs Nautilus
Hi, I am Kal a new member. Great photos and both great watches, both classics. They are obviously very different. I prefer the 5712 in steel which makes it more practical for swimming and also lighter. In an ideal world it would be great to have both, the...
welcome and thanks Kal
welcome to the forum and thanks for your comments Kal. I did see the 5712 in steel but gravitated more toward the 5712-G as the price difference with the steel one was not so big so I was thinking that it would be more worth to go for the gold one. At any...
Congratulations Christian
It truly looks great! The Elipse is the one of the first Pateks I fell in love with. I have an old from the 70s blue face with yellow gold. Sadly I don't wear it much because it is the older smaller model and I find it less attractive on my wrist today. ....
Thanks Kal !
Great to meet another ellipse owner :) I think if you use the basic picture uploader it should be fairly easy - or why not ask your son I am sure that he will be glad to help ! I didn't see many ellipse vintage but I realise that are even smaller and that...
3738/100G - 012
Dear Kari: I tried to call on the appointed Sunday, several times but couldn\'t get through. I could still use your advice as I am having a hell of a time. Please advise if you are able to help and what are your preferred means of communication. Thank you...
Yes.We also own the Ellipse .
Ellipse is one of Patek Philippe most elegant dress the proud owner of both white and yellow gold models. ...