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Dials of unknown origin

 

Hi Forumers,
I have been absent for some time and nearly missed this post.
I am sorry to let you know that none of these dials are original.
And no, these dials were not made by Causemann. Causemann is not a dial manufacturer but only a restorer. He would not be able to produce these dials in higher numbers.
He would not be able to reach such high standards in execution either. Those who have dealt with Causemann know the "quality" of his work which is not always top notch...
He only once managed to restore one of my dials so perfectly that you hardly can distinguish it from an original - and this was reached in his 3rd attempt only!
These perfectly new looking dials are of unknown origin. Most likely they were made by one of the dial contractors or one of the employees (illegally? unauthorized?)...
They were sold via ebay and also on watch fairs (i.e. Munich watch trade show) several years ago - they don´t show up on the market anymore.
While original dials have a solid silver raw plate these "origin unknown" dials have a brass plate and missing manufacturers marks.
For those interested to dive deeper into Omega chronometers and related dials this information can be read in my recently published (2019) "Omega 30 mm Chronometer book".
stay safe (not only from covid 19 but also from fake dials!)
erich

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Those straight lugs sector dialled omega are such classics

 
By: JTCL : April 20th, 2020-09:20
Are they of the 30t2rg variant? Would love to own one of these beauties one day

Just like what you shared for the Reversos, these are great photos but ...

 
By: Seeks : April 20th, 2020-11:18
the watches are even better ! Much appreciated Mike ! Love how pristine those sector dials are ! best regards

Well...

 
By: Tony C. : April 20th, 2020-17:52
with no disrespect to the OP, they're pristine in large part because, with the possible exception of the steel Roman numeral example, they aren't original. Regards, Tony C.

I did not intend to fuel any controversy; I will discuss this post with our Omega moderator

 
By: cazalea : April 20th, 2020-23:31
As I stated at the beginning of the the photo sharing, these came froma disc given me by a watch collector, back in 2002. I don't know any history other than that. Cazalea

Controversy?

 
By: Tony C. : April 21st, 2020-09:13
I was simply stating facts, and there shouldn't be anything controversial about facts. Any collector with experience with 30T2Rg Chronometres can easily tell that those are either refinished or later replacement dials. Regards, Tony C.

Tony is on the money. One legit chronometer in this thread . . .

 
By: Dr No : April 22nd, 2020-19:17
. . . is the steel ref 2366 . . . . . . fitted with a Causmann dial from the '90s and a replacement crown. No movement image provided, but it should have a 30T2rg inside. This one is the homage produced in the mid-'90s in yellow gold . . . . . . and white...  

Hi Art! These may be the Rolex "Blueberry" equivalent....

 
By: CR : April 23rd, 2020-06:45
That's the association I'm having here, anyway. I've always assumed the dials on my "twins" are not original. They're below, with display backs that I had Wuischpard make many years ago -- of course, I still have the original casebacks that are stamped 23...  

The story of Causemann . . .

 
By: Dr No : April 23rd, 2020-23:17
. . . (and I'm sure your spelling with an e is correct as you dealt with them directly) is shrouded in mystery. They were rumored to be the manufacturer responsible for a run of well-made dials. Erich [log-in: mac_omega] devoted a page in his Omega chrono...  

The chances of this one having an original dial . . .

 
By: Dr No : April 22nd, 2020-19:25
. . . are fairly slim in my estimation, Tony. If it's an original dial, then it has to be one of the fittest survivors imaginable. Nearly perfect examples exist, but considering the rest of the collection, I tend to doubt this particular dial was made by ...  

Agreed

 
By: Tony C. : April 23rd, 2020-03:51
Thanks Art! I am well, and hope that you are also healthy and well. I was being charitable, and suspect strongly that it is a modern German/Austrian re-dial. All the best, Tony

Dials of unknown origin

 
By: mac_omega : May 11th, 2020-04:22
Hi Forumers, I have been absent for some time and nearly missed this post. I am sorry to let you know that none of these dials are original. And no, these dials were not made by Causemann. Causemann is not a dial manufacturer but only a restorer. He would... 

Thanks for clarifying the situation, Erich. And apologies for the error conflating Causemann as the maker of chronométre dials . . .

 
By: Dr No : May 11th, 2020-17:30
. . . that were floating around many years ago. So the dial maker is still a mystery, then? No one has been able to trace their origins? Fascinating! Art