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Excellent points, Laurent. There are two things which are not necessarily linked. Nice and collectible.
Since 2005 and the OOR, I don't believe any Panerai watch is collectible anymore.
Now, some are very nice, still. The PAM 372, the 662, the 587, this one, the 687. And a few others.
I think we should consider them for what they are, nice ( or not, depending on tastes ), and not for what they are supposed to be or for what they will become ( or not ), collectible watches, I mean.
Best, my dear Laurent.
Always a pleasure to have an sold school guy's feedback.
Nicolas
SIHH 2017: Panerai PAM 687. Some pictures and thoughts.
Let's be clear, I don't " buy " the official explanation behind the watch, the fact that it has been introduced by the Italian Navy as a product which might be of interest for them. I don't have a verified explanation, but I always believed that the first...
Hello Nicolas! Superb review, your thoughts and points of views to which I completely agree...
... I must tell you that I was waiting for your review of this watch to know your opinion. I fell in love with this watch the very same day I view the first photographs some weeks before SIHH. I don´t mind if the "original" ever existed, or how much this ...
I knew it would be a watch for you, Amigo Abel.
I have to take an appointment with the Paris Boutique to see the 662 and this one side by side. I will keep you updated. As for the fact that it may or may not have existed, I agree with you. It is looking damn nice! Un abrazo. Nicolas
Thanks a lot my dear Nicolas!! I guess the 662 is a different...
... watch, with a fantastic dial color and its only drawback is not having a sandwich dial. In this department the 662 loses against this new model 687. Anyway, I love my 662 and its 1940 case sans crown guard. Best option is... as always... to go for Bot...
Great read!
Thanks for putting this together along with the history lesson. Very much enjoyed reading about the comparison of today's iteration vs the historical model. Cheers, Joe
True that's a great watch.
Something unexpected given the dial color and the bezel. Many of us are now dreaming. Aris PS For your case, If you chose the 372, then the 587 is the better option (given the MM on dial and vintage hands). BUT you can chose the 673 for the 6152 (so you h...
Have you considered 690 instead of 662?
The trio 673/690/687 would have been a killer. In such a case, you'll have many important elements of Panerai world. Aris
Well, several things to consider...
I had just clicked on your Longines 7150 post before this one. Side by side, would you really choose the PAM? The Longines seems much more authentic to my eyes. The colors are a little different of course, but you have the better vintage look already. PAM...
That's the old school guy's way of thinking. You know the brand, and very well.
No doubt that someday there will be something out... In this vein. Thank you, Michael. All the best, my friend. Nicolas
Thank you Nicolas. I bought my first Panerai in 2001
So definitely, this is a brand I enjoy and have watched evolve for some time now. I do not fault any company for making money... that is why they are likely in business in the first place. But the direction definitely changed some years ago, and patience ...
Fro the same reason, I am prudent when it comes to Panerai, but I have to say that for some years, now...
They are releasing one or two watches per year which make my heart beat stronger and faster. As for your kind comment on my pictures, thank you, my dear friend. Best, Nicolas
Easy choice !!!
For a Panerai's collector of the last two decades, the 662 and the 687 must be on the top of his desirable models. And I say 662 no 663, i would replace it in my PAMBox by 673. And the 687 no 685 because first option is for "crazy" PAMLovers (or Paneristi...
Of the two last decades? I would mention a 202/A, 201/A and 304 among the most desirable.
Then PAM 36, PAM 40, PAM 192, 217, and... 372, 587, 662 and this last one... The Mare PAM 300 as well. But... Unwearable. Same for the Egiziano. The 687 is clearly a watch which will focus the attention and or interest of Paneristis. Thanks for your feedb...
Ok ok totally agree. Vena andaluza !!!
This year Panerai showed last January the best new collection in Richemont Era. Historic models: PAM 687 (Brown Srcewed), PAM 720 (3646 type C ) and 721 (Anonymus Dial, 3646 Type D ), PAM 716 NewOld MN) and neo-classic PAM671 (BLONZO) Modern Collection: P...
You wrote...pam 36-40- 217 etc...
as desirable..after the 202A/201A and 304..over the "two last decades". The Pre-As, were produced in those 2 decades too
No question, about the significance of the Pre-V period in the...
history of Panerai. Infact, I believe that without the Pre-V production, the production of Panerai timepieces would have gone into oblivion and there would have not been a...Vendome era
The exsistence of the rare 3646 Brevettato is...
acknowledged also by Loris and Luciano in their Panerai-Una Storia Italiana books. There's no mention of how many were made but no doubt they..were..made
I'll get back to you tomorrow, about that. My "source" hasn't....
answered my message yet
The first 3646 Brevettato...
was PRODUCED by Panerai in 1943. After that it has gone trough some...tweaking...over subseqeunt years Still, there's no record of the number of pieces produced.
when it was announced in November 2016
I put my name down for one...its pretty unique and doubt it will be released again by Panerai (but not holding breath) your live photos are less brown than the other on the internet I have seen.. love it that its a sandwich dial...versus the 662...I still...
Great report Nicolas!
i used to be a huge Panerai fan with well over 35-40 pieces In my collection but that number decreased dramatically throughout the years because they kept on producing more of the same and always promising us collectors that it's a one shot edition. No mo...
Excellent points, Laurent. There are two things which are not necessarily linked. Nice and collectible.
Since 2005 and the OOR, I don't believe any Panerai watch is collectible anymore. Now, some are very nice, still. The PAM 372, the 662, the 587, this one, the 687. And a few others. I think we should consider them for what they are, nice ( or not, dependi...
Pleasure is all mine Nicolas :)
Yeah I agree. If the point is just to have them for what they look like then you should be ok Cheers to that my friend
I agree with you only...50%
the remaining 50%, in my opinions, boils down to: collecting vs speculating. How can one have the..expectation..that an object you buy today, goes through the roof, both in desirability and value, in the space of a couple of years??? VanGogh died dirt poo...
Very well put, Sergio. Like in the very first years, people bought Panerai watches because they were only a few to like them.
The rest of the history, we very well know it...
Absolutely agree Sergio! Well put!! I feel true collectors are ...
... a romantic breed and a minority nowadays. I had never thought about "a good business" when buying my watches. I have done it by heart and passion, and I wish I will be able to continue enjoying this activity of collecting and wearing watches in that w...
Thanks for the review Nicolas! My first impression - case is fantastic and the dual and hands are irresistible. Will have to see if the impression lasts.
The size eliminates it for me, but that dial color, I can\'t get over it!
30M Water Resistance? I'm out.
1000 pieces? Not exclusive enough. Dial may be too faux patina, overdone. I'd go for the 685's black dial. But the 30M water resistance was really an eye opener. And this fact torpedoed my thoughts of owning this watch. Thank you for pointing this out! No...
If, for the FIRENZE/2015, you refer to the 604....
I've seen it for sale on the web. If you can't get hold of one of them, have a look at the 672 FIRENZE, which you can find in the Panerai official website, in the Special Boutique's Edition of the San Giovanni Boutique.
I've lived in Singapore, for some 20 years.
aircon+swimming pool are more important than house/apartment. Since I bought it, my 249 and I, never..ever....EVER had a problem, nor any other Panerai I've used on the pool ...
Gr8 points Nico...
Thanks for sharing. Except for the radiomir case and the crown rest isn\'t my liking... I surely hate the fact that a 30m water resistance is futile for a brand like Panerai ! Best, mahesh.,
Great post!
I have this one ordered since 1st rumours came out and can't wait to see it live! My only concern is that the dial might be too orange. How did you feel after seeing it live, compared to oficial pictures? Thank you very much António
Thanks!! This is my favourite release this year
I've been away from the brand for the past few years. The last Panerai I bought was the 587 in the end of 2014 and haven't been excited by any release ever since. This year, if funds allowed I would get at least 4 new Pams. Although I think it was one of ...