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203 Angelus not vintage?
Was on the phone yesterday with a friend who is an expert on restoration. Got talking about "The Vintage References", and the chapter with the models that had an Angelus. Shown in the book were at least three differently finished movements with slight differences in the plates. Also, in our discussion we considered some specimens of the same caliber movement that have come to market and looking at how these have aged.
The question is what is the likelihood that 200 (or 150) can be restored to "like new" condition given what can be seen in the books, and real specimens today? My friend comments that restoration is always possible, but that it WILL always leave a trace. His conclusion is that it is simply not possible to restore all of these movements to the same level of "newness" without fabrication of some level or complete fabrication. In his opinion it's more likely that Panerai reproduced these movements than an overhaul that yielded these results. Could it be possible that the story of having 200 movements in storage was really just that? It could be, I don't know that it would matter anyway since a reproduction with the license is still as good as an original. The difference, however, is that experts in the field should be able to refute the vintage movement theory real easily, why would Panerai take such a risk?
In any event, at this point just theories and more mystery to add to the other many mysteries of this Brand.
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203 Angelus not vintage?
By: Guille : June 8th, 2009-09:11
Was on the phone yesterday with a friend who is an expert on restoration. Got talking about "The Vintage References", and the chapter with the models that had an Angelus. Shown in the book were at least three differently finished movements with slight dif...
Answer is very simple mate
By: Asimut : June 8th, 2009-09:55
as these caliber 240's were not 'found in storage'. They were sold to Panerai By F. Ferretti, so we have good documentation about them. They were not exactly 200 since there is a base movement and a module. I cannot remember the exact number, but I do hav...
Ahaa!
By: Guille : June 8th, 2009-10:06
Love the debunking of these mysteries. I would love to see some photography of the old movements, or documentation as you say. Very curious of their state prior to restoration, and how these compare with the movements in Volker's book. The next question i...
Gorgeous pics, Sam
By: amanico : June 8th, 2009-21:29
Yes, I'm impressed by the quality of your pics! As for the movements, I'm laughing... Well, from 150 movements, we go to 200, then to 1 000... First the 203, then the 267... The magic of Panerai, or the Mystery of the multiplication of the movements. Quit...
The Angelus Cal. 240 movements
By: Asimut : June 9th, 2009-21:53
came in some variations marked by a suffix letter. There were options for regular/alarm, crown/key winding and level of finish. The base movement was identical with added modules for the desired function. You must remember that this was primarily a table/...
Is there a difference...
By: J-Mac : June 9th, 2009-16:57
...in the photos above? The "Angelus" emblem in Sam's photo seems to be a little "rougher" or at least machined deeper versus Anthony's. Plus, the "FIFTEEN" in Sam's photo looks a little "stair-stepped" and Anthony's is "in-line". Maybe its the lighting a...
In conclusion
By: Guille : June 10th, 2009-20:44
These movements were NOS. Panerai purchased them from F. Ferreti. Minor modifications done to them only, these movements are the same as Angelus provided with different modules for their travel clocks, caliber 240. There it is in three sentences! Thanks t...
57 euro :(
By: Bruno.M1 : June 13th, 2009-02:13
the thing that really bothered me was that those movements were sold for 57 euro EACH ! When i see what they ask for a 203 EVEN at list, I feel robbed Sorry, still love Panerai a Lot but a 57 euro movement in an 17.000 euro (listprice) watch is something ...
