FabR
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Hi Daniel, I guess the common reaction here was one of legitimate disappointment (especially, but not only, by the fans of this brand), *because* of a promising/interesting Indie that evidently got lost after the departure of its founder...
If you mix that with some obvious fatigue when people see yet another brand jump on the steel sports watch bandwagon, then of course you won't get many positive reactions.... ;-) For this "modern Indie," which by its own nature is expected to offer great designs and/or movements to its fan base, I think it's unquestionable that at least the former aspect is missing in this watch.....unlike in *its own* earlier production that had created a good following 
I think this aspect and the obvious monetary considerations behind it, rather than whether the watch itself is "nice" or not, were the main source of disappointment here. Of course, the merely aesthetic aspect is also an important consideration (and personally, I don't like this watch at all....), but this is now mostly subjective territory ;-)
As for comparisons with other brands, though they are always difficult to make, I am frankly with you that a relatively similar argument (even if the brand's positioning is quite different) can be made for the steel Odysseus -- no doubt that ALS also jumped into the same bandwagon with it (I believe it was even its first steel model in regular production! ;-), and also that the Odysseus finally helped create some hype for the brand....alas, I think nobody will question that!
As for the green 5711/1A, let's only give it some credit that it was just the third iteration in 15 years of an iconic reference made by a historic brand, whose earlier models of the same line went back 45 years (and the brand itself another 137).....hence a *very* different situation from all the modern Indies that pop up on a daily basis!
BUT, to be always honest, the 5711 green is definitely an entry-level watch, and especially in the context of Patek itself, hardly the pinnacle of horology (or art, or anything else). In fact, I *never* asked one to Patek for my private collection, even if I know very well its *monetary* value! ;-))
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Speake-Marin
Calling out to the owners and fans of Speke-Marin. I stumbled across the new Ripple while browsing and found it a quite attractive entry into the overcrowded sports watch sector. Now, I don’t know anything about Speake-Marin as a company. I am familiar wi...
Could you elaborate?
I‘m trying to find out exactly what they have become. No idea what’s behind the brand.
Just put Speake Marin in search
Look at posts from 10 plus years ago and look at them now, you'll get your answer
I agree 100%.
Peter did very special work. All the soul left the brand when he exited. Would love to see (and reserve) a new watch deigned and made by him.
Many of us feel that way about his earlier work….
The irony of this post is that the designs PSM has released for his inexpensive watch collection in his latest venture called STOIC, are arguably every bit as derivative as the watch posted here by the OP.
The earlier work sparked my interest.
Seems as if there is not much watchmaking savoir faire or interest left.
I heard a reliable watch blogger..
The brand was bought by the daughter of the Carrefour supermarket brand (unsure if it is the owner or franchisee. The whole dynamics of the brand has changed and few ADs stock this brand anymore. The ripples is quite lovely. I like it.
Peter left the company to start "the Naked Watchmaker" around 2017...
with his business partner Daniela Marin, after finding the stresses of operating an independent watchmaking company no longer to his liking. I believe the CEO Christelle Rosnoblet took over the company, They seem to make a lot of custom pieces and a coupl...
I agree, this is not an outburst of creativity.
Then again, isn’t there a market for a well made sports watch that has no ugly date or wrong proportions?
Doesn’t look anything like their former unique designs
Not to sound harsh but I’d sum it up as “uninspired”. However if you’re new to the brand and like the look, hey why not??
Sorry to be tough, but highly unnecessary is the only description here...I can justify (and even enjoy) some of these modern Indies, which despite their lack of history, at least bring to our "horological table" a new design, or a great movement, etc..
But honestly here, seeing a relatively new brand which just tries to stick around with no effort (let's jump on the sports watch bandwagon and cash in with the caricature of a Nautilus....) is quite sad! ;-) I do remember the nice and peculiar designs the...
I see your point and I mostly agree.
This is not a very creative watch. It is hopping on the integrated bracelet sports watch bandwaggon. Agreed. However, how many other brands do the same? Is the Odysseus highly necessary? Is the green version of the 5711 the pinnacle of innovation in haute...
Hi Daniel, I guess the common reaction here was one of legitimate disappointment (especially, but not only, by the fans of this brand), *because* of a promising/interesting Indie that evidently got lost after the departure of its founder...
If you mix that with some obvious fatigue when people see yet another brand jump on the steel sports watch bandwagon, then of course you won't get many positive reactions.... ;-) For this "modern Indie," which by its own nature is expected to offer great ...
As a business owner, I totally understand the pressure and stress he must have felt In running his atelier…
But it’s almost like he decided to do a complete 180 degree turn. Building inexpensive quartz watches or basic Seiko movements is about as far removed from haute horology as you can go. We have an expression in English “don’t throw the baby out with the b...
I just now had the time to look up PSM's STOIC venture...
Pretty sad to see this offering, which really is nothing but knock-offs of Daytonas and IWCs running on generic Seiko movements.
A very valid point. We require independents to bring innovative, well-made pieces to the market.
And I agree the Ripples doesn't deliver in this respect.
Dear Daniel
Hope all is well on your end and glad you posted this, as it is worth some form of discussion. Personally, my humble two cents is that I probably wouldn’t consider such a watch. I don’t like the fact that PSM has left the company and it certainly didn’t f...
Thank you for your comments
I agree with the watch being a less than innovative entry in the luxury sports segment, borrowing heavily from the Nautilus. As I wrote in response to FabR, I believe this is true for many recent sports watches. I agree 100% the Royal Oak or Nautilus is a...
actually
I like it a lot , very funny what happen with this watch on the web, much people looove it and the one who don't like it just hate it and bash it.
Winner right there! Easy number one! Too bad it's the Ugly Olympics Speake-Marin is competing in...
Like with the Lange Odysseus (many will disagree here), companies are choosing immediately noticeable, distinctive designs as opposed to good harmonious less distinctive designs. This S-M looks like a total dog to me.
This should be inducted into the Hall of Fame...
...of ugly watches. Ask me what I really think...
I like it.
Just tried the ripples. Thin, comfortable, looks much better in person. More comfortable than my ap 15500 but similar size. ...
