Dear Daniel

Apr 18, 2022,16:01 PM
 

Hope all is well on your end and glad you posted this, as it is worth some form of discussion. Personally, my humble two cents is that I probably wouldn’t consider such a watch. I don’t like the fact that PSM has left the company and it certainly didn’t feel like the company is moving in the right direction. Every brand needs to have some form of trajectory and evolution. I didn’t think the PSM story was compelling and certainly with the founder leaving makes me feel that capitalizing on his brand and cashing in was the objective from the start. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s my perception and I don’t like it, because there isn’t a sense of commitment. Secondly, I think most luxury sports watches from brands other than Rolex AP PP VC GP are just trying to catch on the luxury sports watch wave. I think this trend is fizzling out. The truth is it is hard to beat the likes of the aforementioned brands, because they were there at the start — they had first mover advantage. I think only Lange perhaps has managed to convinced the market that they are a viable alternative to these brands. Thirdly, the look of the watch is widely derivative of PP (dial) and Rolex (bracelet) — somewhat of a mish mash. To me it lacks identity. I might be wrong, but again I feel originality is key when designing a luxury sports watch. In which case, I think Moser at least have attempted it well, alongside Lange. It feels that PSM just wants to milk it and ride on the luxury sports watch bandwagon. No identity, not much of a story, and serves very little purpose. Lastly I think you’re a cool bloke. Enjoy the watches you have. Buy only the stuff that represents you — your style.

Cheers
Gatsby


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 By: mrds : April 18th, 2022-11:21
Calling out to the owners and fans of Speke-Marin. I stumbled across the new Ripple while browsing and found it a quite attractive entry into the overcrowded sports watch sector. Now, I don’t know anything about Speake-Marin as a company. I am familiar wi...  

Could you elaborate?

 
 By: mrds : April 18th, 2022-11:47
I‘m trying to find out exactly what they have become. No idea what’s behind the brand.

Just put Speake Marin in search

 
 By: SALMANPK : April 18th, 2022-12:21
Look at posts from 10 plus years ago and look at them now, you'll get your answer

Thank you, Salman

 
 By: mrds : April 18th, 2022-12:30

I agree 100%.

 
 By: matto1 : April 18th, 2022-17:32
Peter did very special work. All the soul left the brand when he exited. Would love to see (and reserve) a new watch deigned and made by him.

Plus 1

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : April 18th, 2022-17:54

Many of us feel that way about his earlier work….

 
 By: NickO : April 18th, 2022-19:43
The irony of this post is that the designs PSM has released for his inexpensive watch collection in his latest venture called STOIC, are arguably every bit as derivative as the watch posted here by the OP.

The earlier work sparked my interest.

 
 By: mrds : April 18th, 2022-20:03
Seems as if there is not much watchmaking savoir faire or interest left.

you're right!

 
 By: TylerDurden : April 18th, 2022-20:16
I totally forgot that

At first I thought it was a joke

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : April 18th, 2022-11:27
This is another watch we did not need of

Not a fan

 
 By: MiguelFlash : April 18th, 2022-11:32
Obviously very derivative

I heard a reliable watch blogger..

 
 By: Cookies : April 18th, 2022-11:55
The brand was bought by the daughter of the Carrefour supermarket brand (unsure if it is the owner or franchisee. The whole dynamics of the brand has changed and few ADs stock this brand anymore. The ripples is quite lovely. I like it.

Nautipple

 
 By: Time to watch : April 18th, 2022-13:59
Would have been a more accurate name

Peter left the company to start "the Naked Watchmaker" around 2017...

 
 By: Blansky : April 18th, 2022-14:30
with his business partner Daniela Marin, after finding the stresses of operating an independent watchmaking company no longer to his liking. I believe the CEO Christelle Rosnoblet took over the company, They seem to make a lot of custom pieces and a coupl... 

Reminds me more of Gucci than anything

 
 By: Dchang81 : April 18th, 2022-14:55
...  

I agree, this is not an outburst of creativity.

 
 By: mrds : April 18th, 2022-20:07
Then again, isn’t there a market for a well made sports watch that has no ugly date or wrong proportions?

Doesn’t look anything like their former unique designs

 
 By: takman : April 18th, 2022-15:18
Not to sound harsh but I’d sum it up as “uninspired”. However if you’re new to the brand and like the look, hey why not??

Sorry to be tough, but highly unnecessary is the only description here...I can justify (and even enjoy) some of these modern Indies, which despite their lack of history, at least bring to our "horological table" a new design, or a great movement, etc..

 
 By: FabR : April 18th, 2022-15:27
But honestly here, seeing a relatively new brand which just tries to stick around with no effort (let's jump on the sports watch bandwagon and cash in with the caricature of a Nautilus....) is quite sad! ;-) I do remember the nice and peculiar designs the... 

I see your point and I mostly agree.

 
 By: mrds : April 18th, 2022-20:30
This is not a very creative watch. It is hopping on the integrated bracelet sports watch bandwaggon. Agreed. However, how many other brands do the same? Is the Odysseus highly necessary? Is the green version of the 5711 the pinnacle of innovation in haute... 

Hi Daniel, I guess the common reaction here was one of legitimate disappointment (especially, but not only, by the fans of this brand), *because* of a promising/interesting Indie that evidently got lost after the departure of its founder...

 
 By: FabR : April 18th, 2022-21:10
If you mix that with some obvious fatigue when people see yet another brand jump on the steel sports watch bandwagon, then of course you won't get many positive reactions.... ;-) For this "modern Indie," which by its own nature is expected to offer great ... 

As a business owner, I totally understand the pressure and stress he must have felt In running his atelier…

 
 By: NickO : April 19th, 2022-00:58
But it’s almost like he decided to do a complete 180 degree turn. Building inexpensive quartz watches or basic Seiko movements is about as far removed from haute horology as you can go. We have an expression in English “don’t throw the baby out with the b... 

I just now had the time to look up PSM's STOIC venture...

 
 By: mrds : April 20th, 2022-08:56
Pretty sad to see this offering, which really is nothing but knock-offs of Daytonas and IWCs running on generic Seiko movements.

A very valid point. We require independents to bring innovative, well-made pieces to the market.

 
 By: mrds : April 20th, 2022-08:51
And I agree the Ripples doesn't deliver in this respect.

Dear Daniel

 
 By: Mr.Gatsby : April 18th, 2022-16:01
Hope all is well on your end and glad you posted this, as it is worth some form of discussion. Personally, my humble two cents is that I probably wouldn’t consider such a watch. I don’t like the fact that PSM has left the company and it certainly didn’t f... 

Thank you for your comments

 
 By: mrds : April 18th, 2022-20:44
I agree with the watch being a less than innovative entry in the luxury sports segment, borrowing heavily from the Nautilus. As I wrote in response to FabR, I believe this is true for many recent sports watches. I agree 100% the Royal Oak or Nautilus is a... 

actually

 
 By: TylerDurden : April 18th, 2022-16:19
I like it a lot , very funny what happen with this watch on the web, much people looove it and the one who don't like it just hate it and bash it.

Winner right there! Easy number one! Too bad it's the Ugly Olympics Speake-Marin is competing in...

 
 By: vitalsigns : April 18th, 2022-17:25
Like with the Lange Odysseus (many will disagree here), companies are choosing immediately noticeable, distinctive designs as opposed to good harmonious less distinctive designs. This S-M looks like a total dog to me.

This Resilience is tops!!

 
 By: mrds : April 20th, 2022-08:58
Thanks for sharing the PSM of his famous past.

This should be inducted into the Hall of Fame...

 
 By: mdg : April 19th, 2022-00:32
...of ugly watches. Ask me what I really think...

I like it.

 
 By: shafran : May 25th, 2023-19:35
Just tried the ripples. Thin, comfortable, looks much better in person. More comfortable than my ap 15500 but similar size. ...