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Far from debunked actually

 

The current approach to debunk is actually as flawed as to ask an accused if they committed the crime. "I asked Breguet and they said nothing’s changed”….
The best outcome should be that Breguet considers there may have been a slip up and pieces went out unfinished, contacts the owners and checks if they are to standard. I’ve seen plenty of mistakes like this over the years and stamping feet like an angry toddler in denial is, well, embarrassing.
This is ‘blackbox' mindset. Repeatedly stating something doesn't make it correct. This is now sadly descending into attacking someone and obfuscating their facts to some bizarre agenda knowing full well that person can't be bothered to return to rebut and defend here.
Using scientific terms like ‘falsifiable’ requires knowing how to use them correctly. The statement to test is ‘all 777qs have internal anglage’; (Your grey market piece is not really relevant here, but it does serve as likely older stock.)
The facts are that a previously lauded and entirely trustworthy member of this community (with no agenda to lie as disgustingly implied) reported at least two pieces in the wild that have no angles. No a question of differences of opinion on anglage or 'style'. No internal angles. Thus ‘all 777qs have internal anglage’ is falsified.
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WPS Exclusive! Breguet Debunks Allegations That Its Finishing Has Changed! What do _You_ think about this?

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 14th, 2022-16:20
This is a story about following up on a claim on the internet and it's also a story of folks at Breguet taking seriously a collector's concerns and doing their best to give a satisfying answer to questions. It was a very positive experience and I hope we ...  

I think this is a very ME style post, so I APPROVE! Not that you needed my approval :)

 
By: BigFatPauli : October 14th, 2022-17:48
Fantastic post and, honestly, I am really THRILLED at how Breguet handled this (and they have not changed their standards). Well done and doing the digging and homework. I really respect this kind of behaviour, which is oh so rare in the world. Bravo!!!

You were there in spirit.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 14th, 2022-18:19
The exorcist assures me that you're gone now! :P I appreciate it! I was very happy with Breguet's response, too.

I will come out of retirement and say the following and then retire again.

 
By: Velociphile - No longer in the building : October 14th, 2022-19:29
if this has made them raise their game then great. They have been a sorely overlooked brand for a long time previously displaying much hidden workmanship and for whom I have a soft spot. This despite not playing a harpsichord, nor enjoying the peek of an ... 

wow... good to read you mon ami.

 
By: Rapwatch : October 14th, 2022-19:40
Ah Dr T, Always such a gentlemen. Bien joué Sorely missed. R

“Members of this formerly illustrious place…”

 
By: oyster case : October 14th, 2022-19:47
Hahaha, as opposed to your current milieu, if you are the original poster of the Breguet “scoop”, IG? 😂

Just to be clear, the blue dial is new to the last two years, therefore, my watch cannot be from some bygone era. And your claim is debunked.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 14th, 2022-20:57
You may not like Breguet's finishing. That, with your great experience, is your choice. However, your specific and objective claim that Breguet has changed the finishing on an existing model in production, the 5177, is false. Best practices would be to ad... 

Not correct and…

 
By: Rapwatch : October 15th, 2022-08:16
The blue5177 was in the market three and half years ago. You should be playing the ball not the man. Ad hominem comments are not acceptable in this forum. Cheerleading and storytelling from the brand are not functional evidence. The impartial 3rd party ey... 

Thanks, but the claim is debunked.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 15th, 2022-13:59
Do you understand why Tim's attempt to say that my 5177 blue enamel is somehow older than an imaginary change in finishing is not valid? I can explain it if you can't figure it out, but the answer is in my original post. It has to do with evidence he trie... 

Far from debunked actually

 
By: Rapwatch : October 15th, 2022-15:33
The current approach to debunk is actually as flawed as to ask an accused if they committed the crime. "I asked Breguet and they said nothing’s changed”…. The best outcome should be that Breguet considers there may have been a slip up and pieces went out ... 

You have it backwards

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 15th, 2022-17:34
A former member who left in a huff has made several claims. And you've chosen the wrong one, naturally. Did you read the original post in this thread? On IG, he claimed to inspect a single watch, that's now increased to two watches, great. It's not the is... 

Amazing post🙏

 
By: xxn : October 15th, 2022-04:55
breguet needs some form of revival though

Thank you Dr Tabby for taking this seriously and asked Breguet directly for the answer!

 
By: joenghenry : October 15th, 2022-07:22
My response will be...... go get a 5177 blue enamel dial while it's still available at retails. Best, Henry

Big thanks for posting..

 
By: Filip : October 15th, 2022-09:03
.. If somebody asked me about about actual finishing of the basic Breguet movements I would say, hmm I remember that they lowered quality of some finishings, there was something about it at forum 😢 That is how myths are born.

Thank you for this post.

 
By: jlux : October 15th, 2022-09:14
Being a big fan of the Breguet watches this was very informative and also highlights the professional attitude of the brand towards its customers ...and its standards.

You're welcome!

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 15th, 2022-13:44
I, too, was heartened by Breguet's care in their response, as well as their commitment to their standards.

Breguet videos are from prototype models, as someone who read the opening post would know.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 25th, 2022-18:55
Here's a photo of a blue enamel 5177bb, mine. It has interior angles and, obviously to an acute observer, post-dates the video Tim used for a screenshot which uses a prototype model and came out with the introduction of the blue enamel 5177. I'm not sure ...  

Please stop. this is not a valid line of 'argument'

 
By: Rapwatch : October 25th, 2022-20:26
perhaps if scientifically trained you would understand. I wonder if the mindset you require to execute your magic day job clouds your judgement. Not only that you are trying to use quite objectionable subtly disguised ad hominem attacks on a venerated for... 

I confess with my magic day job (a line I will use now!) I have no idea why the years-past former owner of WPS would be an arbiter of anything.

 
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 25th, 2022-23:47
I have met Dr Mao, and I think he'd be entertained. Tim's argument is poor, it's simple (to be fair, it's literally an IG post), and it's been debunked with evidence that includes pictures. I don't think the purpose of WPS is to revere former members. WPS...