It's important to note that Mercedes has a lot of emphasis towards long term reliability...

Nov 25, 2017,09:47 AM
 

It's important to note that Mercedes has a very large emphasis internally towards long term reliability of the drivetrain.
And they've been doing the 60 degree V6 for many years now, and they already have a lot of experience.
The common problems with the BMW V8s were usually related to seals. The BMW engines were designed to run hot for efficiency, but this took a greater toll on their seals. Combined with a longer oil change interval (in the USA the oil change interval on V8 engines were 15,000 miles) the seals weren't always in optimum oil.
BMW V8s were inherently leaking oil, sometimes from multiple places, but the engines were otherwise perfect. Smooth, eager to rev, great throttle response (until they went to turbocharged V8s), and very powerful.
It's important to note that in general, many V8s on the market today are considered "cutting edge" technology. You're dealing with a powerplant that produces likely around 500 hp. So it's an engine that is cutting edge.
Older AMG engines, M113 non-supercharged (CLK55, C55AMG) and M113K supercharged (E55, SL55, S55, CL55, G55)
One of the most reliable Mercedes-Benz engines is the M113 platform V8. Commonly used until 2006. The AMG variant was the M113K, 5.4L, used in cars such as the E55 AMG that was supercharged to 476 horsepower and 700 NM torque, S55, G55, CL55, and SL55. That was a very reliable engine. Very few problems. Very reliable platform. The 5 speed automatic transmission utilized here was also very dependable.
Naturally Aspirated M156 engine (M159 engine in SLS AMG with wet sump lubrication)
The M156 engine, which was the 6.2 liter AMG bespoke engine suffered primarily from head bolt issues that would allow coolant/water into the cylinders. Since water doesn't compress, the engine would bed rods and fail. Mercedes switched to a 7 speed transmission here and experienced a few problems in the transmission department. These engines are great sounding, fuel consuming, very free-revving especially for an engine with that size of bore and stroke, and incredibly emotional. Long-term owners who are in-love with this engine will keep their cars running reliably by doing a one-time change of the headbolts to an updated design that is reliable. This is a labor intensive process, as half the engine needs to be taken apart to change out the headbolts. In the USA, the cost is around $4,000 USD to have this done as a preventive measure at a dealership.
For certain models, Mercedes-Benz also used a torque converter automatic transmission OR in rarer cases, instead of a propeller/impeller torque converter transmission (think two fan blades, one connected to the engine propelling oil into another fan-blade impeller that is then turning the transmission) it had a wet take-up clutch, basically a multi-plate clutch that would "start clutching" once the engine span above a certain speed (indicating the car was to move forward as soon as engine speeds were above normal idle speed). The term "Multi-Clutch-Transmission" or MCT was used to denote this kind of transmission. IT IS NOT TO BE confused with a dual clutch transmission. It's still a normal automatic transmission, just with a different type of medium between the engine and the transmission.
Turbocharged Generation AMG engines (M157 and M178)
The more recent wave of 5.5 liter V8 turbocharged engines and now 4.0 liter V8 turbocharged engines are harder to ascertain their reliability. The 4.0 liter is predicted to be very reliable and Mercedes-Benz is implementing that engine in cars across their model range. In the non-AMG C, E, S, G, SL, CLS, and probably more models in the future. This 4.0 liter was primarily designed for its reliability and to meet China's standards. China has a very high tax implication on cars with over 4.0 liter displacements. So every brand is strategically designing engines that meet China's requirements. The problem with this latest engine is that the turbochargers are nestled in the middle of the "V" of the engine which makes it very hot there. The engine electronics/computers are also placed very close to the turbochargers on some variants, probably not the smartest idea, and the difficulty of access makes the part harder to service if it's ever necessary. Nevertheless, despite these drawbacks, it is anticipated this engine will be very reliable and the same unit is capable of delivering horsepower from 450hp (C63) to 500hp (C63S) to over 600hp (E63S).
I don't anticipate any major problems with the new 4.0 liter engine, despite the weaknesses I mentioned earlier. It's the same engine being used in non AMG and AMG vehicles by Mercedes, primarily with a higher horsepower output and tuning on the AMG versions. So there is volume, and you need volume to achieve reliability.
A car that has been "forgotten" but was a truly special car was the CLK 63 Black Series in 2008. These had the M156 engine. If I could find one of those, change the headbolts to the updated version, I'd drive that to my heart's content! It's not the fastest anymore, since the new cars are now in the 3-second range. But that is an emotional, race car. It's missing the rear seats and seatbelts though, so your daughter and dog won't be able to come if your wife is with you! But that's a true collector's car.


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Mercedes Class C or E Coupé. Thoughts?

 
 By: amanico : November 24th, 2017-14:46
I have to say that the last iterations of the Class C or E Coupé are quite appealing. C: E: I find the C even more appealing. Dynamic and sensual. The engines? 4 Cylinders wouldn't be my first choice. AMG 63 are a dream, but maybe something in between wou...  

I would love the....

 
 By: john c : November 24th, 2017-15:04
...new E63 AMG S. Wow!! Best, John.

My wife just got a silver C. She absolutely loves it

 
 By: descartes1 : November 24th, 2017-15:05
It's a 4 cyl turbo 4matic. She preferred it to the E (which she's also had in the past). Great car. Sporty. Perfect size. Feels larger than prior C models. Of the 10-12 benzes she's had over the years (all different models) I think it's her favorite.

The 300? [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 24th, 2017-15:17

Yes, 300 4matic [nt]

 
 By: descartes1 : November 24th, 2017-18:46
It's fast as hell, especially in sport plus mode

Go for the E

 
 By: dedestexhes : November 24th, 2017-15:16
the C is really almost a 2 seater. Sitting in the back really feels cramped. Also the dash is more up to date in the E. I think the 400 is a good match for this car. Also the air suspension makes a huge difference. Also, do not compare with previous gener... 

Downsizing engines ....

 
 By: bimbeano : November 24th, 2017-16:06
I just had a look on the website , it seems the 180/200/300 are 4 cilinders up to 250 hp or so. The 400 is a V6, probably a 3 liter with 333 hp. So i would suggest you don't buy a 4-pot as you would be seriously disappointed ... instead go for the AMG , t... 

Honestly ?

 
 By: bimbeano : November 24th, 2017-16:20
Go for the M4 ..... take the suspension you can set to different modes and all will be fine ;-) All other cars will pale next to this .... ...  

It's nice, but for a new car, I would go for the M2 over the M4.

 
 By: vitalsigns : November 24th, 2017-17:07
Less power, but more fun.

Wait for the m2 cs

 
 By: dedestexhes : November 24th, 2017-21:25
With engine of m4 with 400 hp + Dirk

+1

 
 By: Gelato Monster : November 25th, 2017-02:48
M2CS even M2CSL

Will see that. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 25th, 2017-06:45

M2 M4 ...

 
 By: bimbeano : November 25th, 2017-11:15
.. can be equipped with a manual gearbox ! The1M i drive from time to time also has a manual and it sure is fun to drive (ask dirk). Though if you want to be more safe while driving (very) fast go for the automatic.

By the time you tried them all ...

 
 By: bimbeano : November 25th, 2017-12:30
.. the newer models will start coming out .. so you can start all over again

LOL. True! [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 25th, 2017-12:41

Lived your problem and the answer was surprising

 
 By: Tick Talk : November 24th, 2017-16:31
to me, at least. Last year I traded off my C63 Coupe for an E400 Wagon and today I wouldn't go back. The AMG was a difficult car to live with as a daily driver. You fall into to C, and sit in the E. The back seats are only suitable for your in-laws and en...  

I think....

 
 By: InHavenPro : November 24th, 2017-17:33
the answer is simple - how much space do you need??

Well,

 
 By: InHavenPro : November 26th, 2017-11:23
I haven't driven either myself but I would rather easily imagine that the C would be more engaging and fun to drive due to its compact size and lower weight while the E would offer more amenities and comfort at the expense of sportiness.

The C Class, C43 or C63S Coupe...

 
 By: patrick_y : November 24th, 2017-17:55
In the USA, we have a C300 (2.0 liter), C43 AMG (V6), and C63S AMG (V8). I'd consider one either of the AMG versions. The question now is what color are you going to get it in... I'd also double check with the Mercedes Service/Repair at the dealership and... 

It's important to note that Mercedes has a lot of emphasis towards long term reliability...

 
 By: patrick_y : November 25th, 2017-09:47
It's important to note that Mercedes has a very large emphasis internally towards long term reliability of the drivetrain. And they've been doing the 60 degree V6 for many years now, and they already have a lot of experience. The common problems with the ... 

I see! ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : November 25th, 2017-14:28

I have the previous generation E550

 
 By: jim vancouver : November 24th, 2017-19:25
Hi, Quite pleased with it, though it really needs the 4matic under acceleration. I passed on the C because it was cramped in the back, as noted by others. And, at the time, the C had not gotten its current pleasing shape. Suggest that you get the biggest ... 

All the best! [nt]

 
 By: jim vancouver : November 26th, 2017-00:11

I agree!

 
 By: sham1 : November 24th, 2017-21:15
Both cars are a huge improvement on their predecessors, both inside and out. The E class is near perfect apart from the rear passengers window which looks fussy. The interior triumphs over the C as it has so much S class in it. The E can also fit two adul... 

Take it from me Nicolas

 
 By: sham1 : November 25th, 2017-02:34
I have learned the hard and expensive way of driving the wrong car on certain roads

Only one, and its neither but still a Merc

 
 By: Miranda : November 25th, 2017-02:47
C63 amg 507 Better than an M4 according to most journo’s Anc thats the highest praise you can get! Best Imran ...  

LOL, that is the one I ditched

 
 By: Tick Talk : November 25th, 2017-09:36
for an E-Class. Sexy car, to be sure, but living with it was another matter. A friend with the 4-dr version has similar space issues with a new kid and is also looking at the E... Tick Talk 2017 ...  

+1 [nt]

 
 By: jim vancouver : November 25th, 2017-12:30

So no more Volvo? [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : November 25th, 2017-23:31

Not sure the 63 is the ideal choice...

 
 By: KMII : November 26th, 2017-08:46
Unless it’s the second or third car. Several friends and colleagues have one and all decided against getting another. It seems it’s too overdone - great on a test drive or for the first few months but then it can start to grate...

Possibly...

 
 By: KMII : November 26th, 2017-10:32
I have only driven a GLE with the engine but in a C it should be lively enough.

Here's some perspective on AMG

 
 By: jim vancouver : November 26th, 2017-13:01
AMG has traditionally operated as a separate division. Tuning showroom-specification cars. For aggressive drivers who hate to be cut off by Ferraris or turbo Porsche. The penalty is the ride comfort... "The spectrum of coupe personalities ranges from tour... 

Having spent a large part of my driving on German highways...

 
 By: KMII : November 26th, 2017-13:29
And getting regular exposure to track driving as well, I imagine to be able to handle a 63 - I regularly drove one on track. I guess the more important bit is having a good idea of your limits as a driver and not exceeding these - not claiming I am suprem... 

Wow

 
 By: jim vancouver : November 26th, 2017-13:46
The fastest that I have driven in a small car on a highway was 210 downhill in a Fiat Punto turbo (1.4 engine). Of course, there was no way to effect an emergency maneuver at the limit because of the car's tremendous understeer. Would have been interestin... 

High speed is still addictive...

 
 By: KMII : November 27th, 2017-00:27
And quite draining if you do it for hours on end - but no risk of falling asleep behind the wheel