Dylan T. Dutson
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I just posted these photos a moment ago somewhere else
Jul 18, 2015,06:02 AM
so I hope no one minds it again.
I LOVE the 39mm Dato Flyback! Would it be nice to have a power reserve? Yes it absolutely would, BUT, ill give it up for this one.
The dial layout, the size, the feel on the wrist, and you just cant argue with this...
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old datograph vs up down
By: thekonger : July 18th, 2015-04:39
i am reading a lot about the merits of the original datograph on this forum. As a prospective buyer of the up down, i didn't understand this as i thought all the changes were for the better; i.e. the power reserve indicator, deletion of roman numerals, in...
Mechanically, the new one. Aesthetically, the old one, by far.
By: amanico : July 18th, 2015-04:49
The flaws of the first one were its strength. A bit thick for its size, not very comfortable on the wrist, but it had charm and character. The new one? Well, its dial looks weird, a bit empty, it lacks charm, it is not the icon the first was, in my opinio...
I just posted these photos a moment ago somewhere else
By: Dylan T. Dutson : July 18th, 2015-06:02
so I hope no one minds it again. I LOVE the 39mm Dato Flyback! Would it be nice to have a power reserve? Yes it absolutely would, BUT, ill give it up for this one. The dial layout, the size, the feel on the wrist, and you just cant argue with this... ...
Up Down for me but not a judgement
By: Mark in Paris : July 18th, 2015-06:35
The UD is an evolution of the Old one. I've been loving the Old one in the past (in spite of the fact it is much heavy for my thin wrist and thus uncomfortable), then the UD was presented, and I was still liking the Old one for a while. But after maybe 6 ...
The original.
By: TheMadDruid : July 18th, 2015-08:23
Mostly for the diameter; but I do like the lay-out better, and I find the UD indicator unnecessary.
It's personal
By: ianny : July 18th, 2015-10:14
I trust you have seen both in the metal and tried them on your wrist. The Datograph can feel a little top heavy on the wrist. This is probably due to the height/thickness of the watch which some feel is a little too much relative to the watch case diamete...
I think
By: el1125 : July 18th, 2015-17:57
the 41 looks perfect on you!
the first one is an icon, the second one is
By: ztirual : July 18th, 2015-15:58
not. There is the sale man's view and there is the collector's view. I would think that most amateurs with a feel for vintage would always go for the original model of virtually any watch model. Some lead other follow. Buying a luxury watch is not like bu...
Saying 39mm is a perfect size is non sense.
By: foversta : July 19th, 2015-01:42
Sorry to write this but with such short cuts lead to nothing. Perfect size for what? For your wrist? Mine? For any watch? This one? If we start to write definitive comments, we will not have a lot of things to say on the forum. In a collecting point of vi...
Dear FX
By: ztirual : July 19th, 2015-14:14
Off course I only expressing my personal opinion. The size comment was just added as an aside. Aren't we asked to take part for one or another model? Truly sorry if I have hurt feelings. Z'
Sorry Mark
By: ztirual : July 20th, 2015-08:21
The question was simply the old vs. the new. The original or an evolution? I prefer t he original and I have very hard to see any situation where it is the opposite. I think there is more substance in what I say than the caricature you make of it. There i...
Touchy subject
By: Mark in Paris : July 20th, 2015-08:40
This is not really but it depends on the approach. When you say: "There is the sale man's view and there is the collector's view" "would think that most amateurs with a feel for vintage would always go for the original model of virtually any watch model. ...
I think I totally disagree with your sentence Z'
By: Mark in Paris : July 19th, 2015-15:00
"I would think that most amateurs with a feel for vintage would always go for the original model of virtually any watch model." This doesn't mean it is the more interesting or the best one. This would mean the older one is always considered to be the nice...
"I think we may judge a watch compared to its time and to the brands DNA."
By: amanico : July 19th, 2015-22:29
I totally agree, and that is why some like Z and myself prefer the old one. The dial was perfect. Iconic. The case, well, it would have been the same, one or two millimeters more, no problem, for me, an improved movement, why not, who would complain, but ...
That is something I can perfectly understand
By: Mark in Paris : July 20th, 2015-07:45
More than on an aesthetical standpoint, comparing the new one with what the old one has built will always lead to an evolution we might see as positive or not. I usually try to see every new pieces on a stand alone basis, without comparing it to the exist...
"Don't touch the dial"...
By: foversta : July 21st, 2015-12:47
Here is the main point of disagreement with you. I agree that the first dial is perfect. It is not the reason to duplicate it. Now, imagine that Lange issues exactly the same watch with 2mm more. I would find this VERY disappointing and let's face it: LAZ...
I is OK to disagree
By: ztirual : July 19th, 2015-23:27
My humble taste for new (4%) and vintage (96%) watches tells me so. They are most often those very first models that have defined the brands DNA. It is very logical. You have to start somewhere to define these codes and it is at those MKI that it really h...
No, no, don't leave this thread, it is a superb discussion.
By: amanico : July 19th, 2015-23:41
your point is perfectly advocated. Yes, with the first version, we most always have the idea, the concept behind the watch. The evolution may be tasty, appealing, successful, but it is, by far, not always the case. I agree on the fact, that, most often, t...
A forum without this kind of discussion will be boring, won't it?
By: Mark in Paris : July 20th, 2015-07:53
This is the kind of discussion that make peolpe think and I'm happy you participate to that discussion Z. When you say the first models define the DNA, I disagree because I personally think that the DNA is not built one and for all with the 1st models but...
:-)
By: ztirual : July 20th, 2015-08:44
I saw the new gray-dial Dato Perp in NYC last week...
By: CR : July 19th, 2015-12:34
... and was really impressed with it. I was never a big fan of gray-dial watches or of the Dato Perp (though I might like it more if I had corrected vision!), but this latest iteration is a sweet piece.
Comparing just the aesthetics..
By: yming : July 18th, 2015-22:38
I find pluses for both.. For me the plus points are : 1st Gen - Roman numerals that make out a triangle, which balances the date and subdials 2nd Gen - better height x diameter proportion - the lugs look more proportionate - cleaner minute/subminute marki...
I wonder what everyone's comments would be if
By: 4Js : July 19th, 2015-05:49
The new one did not have the power reserve, and if the Romans were put in its place. Then, it seems you gain the better fitting and proportions due to size but retain the strengths of the first gen. I would like to see them side by side to get a feel. Bes...
I don't agree with you.
By: foversta : July 19th, 2015-06:49
The power reserve is so shy that you can hardly see it. Where do you see that the triangle is not preserved anymore? Fx
To add something new without spoiling the triangle...
By: foversta : July 19th, 2015-07:02
It is the reason why the new version is successful... Creating exactly the same Datograph with 2mm more would have been disappointing from Lange. At the end, everybody is happy. The first Datograph can be found and the new one brings some differences. It ...
For me it was easy choice and I chose....
By: SteelerFan1965 : July 20th, 2015-05:18
The original as I much prefer the dial aesthetics. I owned it years back and actually recently was lucky enough to find a NOS from 2009. I went to AD to buy the new UD and was left cold after trying it on. Believe me I tried to like it but found the dial ...
I like both...........
By: TonyR : July 21st, 2015-05:42
I prefer the original in platinum, the look of the watch and the movement raised the bar and set a standard at that time. I for one am used to seeing this watch the way it came out in 1999. The UD is a very nice update but there can only be one original. ...
Thanks for this interesting input CR
By: Mark in Paris : July 22nd, 2015-15:22
The 3/ is an interesting question but I'll stay far away of it and the 4/ explains a lot too. I would conclude in saying that it all depends on the way we express our opinion and leave others with their own, as there is a difference in expressing a person...
I think you're right
By: Mark in Paris : July 23rd, 2015-07:05
I don't really know the differences as it was difficult to judge without comparing two pictures (which I didn't do) but I would say that for the L1, it will really concern the collectors perfectly knowing both references. This means, imho, that 99% of the...
The new Lange 1 is the first real Lange 1
By: COUNT DE MONET : July 23rd, 2015-08:14
The new Lange 1 is another example that times are strange for watch fans: Patek releases the first in-house chrono but can not repeat the success of the Lemania based one. With the Lange 1 I fear it will be the same: the first L1 was "based" on a JLC move...
Both are great options but what about the 1815 chrono
By: kha1400 : July 23rd, 2015-18:07
I am a relatively new owner of the up down but looked at both. I preferred the up down as I found the indicator quite useful. It also adds a stronger vertical line from the date down to the power reserve. I feel the added dimension is just another way Lan...