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the dial feet don't lie
Hello Nicolas,
You're right, I refer to this specific dial/hands combo to establish the paternity link between the Black-Bay and this 94010 Submariner.
When you examine the different feet location on the two dials (7016 on the left) as seen in the picture below, if makes very unlikely, if not impossible, that some local watchmakers throughout the world did modify some 7016 dials to fit them in 94010 submariners, all of them featuring the same serial number range…
Not to mention that it is a risky process, because you have to cut off and weld the feet at the right location without damaging the dial paint...
Difficult and not worth it imho, all the more since the 7016 dial was no longer in production and that the 94010 round dial (featuring specific triangular 3, 6, 9 markers) was available and not difficult to source.
At last, this kind of modification (cutting off and welding the feet) would have left some heavy and noticeable marks on the back of the dial, nothing compared with an untouched original factory dial like the two bellow (and mine).
Best,
Michel.
Tudor Black Bay: the ancestor
I'm now the proud owner of the Black-Bay ancestor, a 94010 Submariner originally issued with this stunning dial/hands combo for only one year, every known examples throughout the world (a very few watches) being in the 8.8/beginning of the 8.9XXX serial r...
Thanks for sharing!
I have to read the article again, but I haven't seen some of those different versions of Tudor Black Bay/Submariner watches before. Good to see and good to know. Can't believe someone used the watch as a hammer. Someone ought to report the perpetrator to ...
Very interesting article.
To be clear, this Tudor cannot be seen as the ancestor of the Black Bay, since it is the 7922, Big Crown, no crownguards. But I get what you mean, and this is about the dial. I've never seen such a combination of dial and hands, but this is not because I ...
the dial feet don't lie
Hello Nicolas, You're right, I refer to this specific dial/hands combo to establish the paternity link between the Black-Bay and this 94010 Submariner. When you examine the different feet location on the two dials (7016 on the left) as seen in the picture...
I can't say I have ever seen that combination either
I am looking forward to hearing some comments. Bill
VRF watch
I bought it :) No bracelet marks on the case back and I was fully aware of what a great price it was :) Great piece by the way, glad I got in just before you published it I also have a nice brown insert waiting for its new home LOL
Don't get him started N...
He'll then have to show us his MN, Ci (4??), South African, Canadian and that's just the Mil Tudors. Then it'll be the CX watches, MilSub etc etc. Ian is an addict!!! ;-) R
I have a couple of questions....
First, thanks for posting this watch....it is always great too see such histories and stories. I am curious about the nail-damage to the case back. You suggest that this could not have been done by a civilian. Why would someone on the military have used i...
Only Tudor Toronto knows….
This is pure speculation on my part about the nail marks… But Tudor Submariners were expensive sport watches (not to mention Rolex…) compared to most brands at that time and I guess that a civilian would not use an expensive sport watch as a hammer. Sound...
I wonder....
....the French military keep a full record of the watches issued to the French Military...the MN. I wonder if the Canadians do the same? Would definitely be worth checking as that would provide uncontested provenance. Man...if i was a soldier and i had a ...
Thank you for sharing. May have further evidence to add
I was outbid on a 94010 with the same dial / hands combo a couple years ago. Unfortunately the pictures from the original listing expired and the serial number was not included in the description, but perhaps the dealer still has these details available s...
a nice dial/hands combo
Yes, this unusual dial/hands combo is very nice. Navyeight mentioned that the watch he lately purchased on VRF had not bracelet marks. Mine is mounted on a late folded flip lock band from the late eighties, so not original to the watch (1978). It has remi...