Patek Philippe

Many forum members have posted images of the newest cloisonné WT, the 5231J. Also many have posted 5131s, including the J. Which J do you prefer?

By: patekova : January 2nd, 2021-17:34

My take: Same land masses, but other than that, to me couldn’t be more different. Much more detailed and colorful map on the 5231, although colors are perhaps brighter and arguably more vibrant on 5131. Different hands on 5231 and Patek on the dial, not t...

The enamel work on the 5231 is much better and more intricate...

Many forum members have posted images of the newest cloisonné WT, the 5231J. Also many have posted 5131s, including the J. Which J do you prefer?

Thanks for a really neat comparison Patekova -- you indeed nailed it on the differences between an already iconic "father" and its "son", though hopefully not the last two generations of the glorious Patek WT dynasty! ;-)

Thank you FabR for your kind words and analysis. Your post comparing the two 5177Gs inspired me to write my 5131/5231 comparison post .

The enamel work on the 5231 is much better and more intricate...

Thank for your analytical reply. Both in contours of land masses and color gradations each individual watch is in a sense unique. Part of the charm.

5231 for me, the enamel work does look significantly more detailed

I have seen in images a very few 5131Js where the maps are quite detailed. Mine is not one of those, unfortunately.

My biased vote for the 5131

Thanks for your very interesting viewpoint. Seems there are almost as many viewpoints as there are variations in the dials.

Hi Patekova, Thank you for this interesting comparison !

Same thoughts and preference

Agree with Gordon that the case of 5131 is more classical, with the crown guard as well as the more fluid lugs.

Extremely interesting reply, Gordon, as always! Have seen a handful of 5131Js where the maps are more detailed like on 5231, but they seem to

Thanks for the side by side comparison. As you said, they are so different. I would gladly accept either one.... Best, Henry

Henry, thank you for your reply and I hope you get one someday if that is a goal of yours.

Thx for starting this interesting discussion

Cayenne, I hope you get a 5231R! (For me the R and G versions of 5131 are significantly more appealing than the J.) I am confident that

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Hi, Helix. Thanks for sharing your experience. Is it the original or the replaced dial in your photo? As I can't see the damaged golden thread in the 8 o'clock position. Thanks, Henry

I‘d love to see the „Patek“ in the place of Geneva on the cities ring

Thanks for your reply. Interesting idea about the placement of “Geneva”.

5231j for me

Congratulations on obtaining the 5231. The brown strap picks up the brown on the dial very nicely. Looks great on your wrist!

Thank you!

They are both quite desirable but the 5231 for me with the strap from the 5131!

Yes, I can see where the yellow stitch might not be for everyone. Can’t switch even if I wanted to add variety. 21mm for 5131 and 20 mm for 5231.

Are they both PP straps?

Yes, they are both Patek custom straps. While I can’t say with certainty likely, “shiny royal blue alligator”.

Thank you.

shoot, change my answer to the 5231. the 21mm for the 5131 kind of annoying for straps.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. For better or worse many men’s Pateks have the unusual 21mm size.

Both are amazing but my clear preference is the 5231

I think many share your exact viewpoint. Thanks for replying!

Interesting comparison.

Well observed...

You have a particularly nice map on your J! Congratulations on having such a fine example!

Not mine.

Yes, the level of detail and and range of colors can be quite wide. Thanks for demonstrating this with your research and images!

And another of a 5131J

My goodness. This 5131J is totally different from what I saw from all sources previously.

bias to 5131...i still cant get over plonking PP on the dial when everyone who needs to know will recognise this as a PP and obscures the enamel work which is the very reason you buy the watch

Great point! The map is quite small to begin with, so why clutter it with the name? Traditionalists, however, feel it belongs on the dial.