Many forum members have posted images of the newest cloisonné WT, the 5231J. Also many have posted 5131s, including the J. Which J do you prefer?

 By: patekova : January 2nd, 2021-17:34
My take:  Same land masses, but other than that, to me couldn’t be more different. Much more detailed and colorful map on the 5231, although colors are perhaps brighter and arguably more vibrant on 5131. Different hands on 5231 and Patek on the dial, not the bezel. Different fonts. Much more rounded and larger case on 5131. More angles and facets on 5231 case. To me more modern look on 5131, while 5231 resembles more vintage WTs, in case style, font and Patek on the dial.

So overall which I prefer ... 5231J. 

(However, if it were 5231J vs 5131R or 5131G, not so sure. I like the size, wrist presence and feel of the 5131 case a lot. Also, I think generally the R and G maps  on 5131 are very high quality much like the 5231J map. Also, having aPatek on the bezel of 5131 makes it truly different from all other Pateks that come to mind, vintage or modern.)

But, which do you prefer 5131J or 5231J? Best, Patekova 

Thanks for a really neat comparison Patekova -- you indeed nailed it on the differences between an already iconic "father" and its "son", though hopefully not the last two generations of the glorious Patek WT dynasty! ;-)

 By: FabR : January 2nd, 2021-18:01
My personal preference, though I'm not much into J gold, is for the earlier 5131 versions in general...even if clearly less sophisticated than the 5231 in terms of execution, since the latter came over 10 years later. But I admit my preference for the 5130/5131 case vs. the more recent one might also play a role ;-) Enjoy.

Thank you FabR for your kind words and analysis. Your post comparing the two 5177Gs inspired me to write my 5131/5231 comparison post .

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:34
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The enamel work on the 5231 is much better and more intricate...

 By: Clueless_Collector : January 2nd, 2021-18:41
I wonder if the 5131 has this contour on the land and ocean?

I like your England more than mine...😊

Thank for your analytical reply. Both in contours of land masses and color gradations each individual watch is in a sense unique. Part of the charm.

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:37
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5231 for me, the enamel work does look significantly more detailed

 By: jleno : January 2nd, 2021-19:25
I do like the crown guards on the 5131 however

I have seen in images a very few 5131Js where the maps are quite detailed. Mine is not one of those, unfortunately.

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:39
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My biased vote for the 5131

 By: Dchang81 : January 2nd, 2021-19:32
Overall I prefer the 5131 but I’m biased.  I like the map colors of the 5231 and the city font but prefer the patek name on the case as well as the case shape of the 5131.  Kind of like that people have no idea what watch it is since they’re trying to look for the brand name on the dial.  

Thanks for your very interesting viewpoint. Seems there are almost as many viewpoints as there are variations in the dials.

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:41
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Hi Patekova, Thank you for this interesting comparison !

 By: GLau : January 2nd, 2021-20:31
IMO, key points of the two references are:

5231J: improved technique on the enamel dial because of the 10+ years of experience on the 5131 series, and 2) font for the city ring is more usual

5131J: 1) more vibrant colors (important to me on an enamel dial), 2) no blockage on Baffin Island by the logo on the enamel dial which is already a very small surface, and 3) the crown protector gives the watch a different look

Hence for me, the 5131J has a slight edge over the 5231J.

Same thoughts and preference

 By: CGJ0 : January 3rd, 2021-01:15
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Agree with Gordon that the case of 5131 is more classical, with the crown guard as well as the more fluid lugs.

 By: joenghenry : January 3rd, 2021-05:41
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Extremely interesting reply, Gordon, as always! Have seen a handful of 5131Js where the maps are more detailed like on 5231, but they seem to

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:43
be the exception to the rule.

Thanks for the side by side comparison. As you said, they are so different. I would gladly accept either one.... Best, Henry

 By: joenghenry : January 3rd, 2021-04:49
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Henry, thank you for your reply and I hope you get one someday if that is a goal of yours.

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-05:45
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Thx for starting this interesting discussion

 By: cayenne1200 : January 3rd, 2021-06:07
I prefer the 5130 case over the 5230 as the former in my eyes is pretty unique in the PP case line-up with its lovely rounded forms. 5230 case is more like “standard” case design of PP which can be found in pretty similar versions on other models.

But as I already own a 5130G and I strongly dislike the fonts of the 5131 and even more strongly dislike the engraving on the bezel the 5131 is not my cup of tea.

The near future will most probably bring us a 5231R and this is the model I’m waiting for when it comes to enamel dials.

From another collector in Germany I’ve heard the following story: a friend of him has ordered a 5231J and got it from his AD. The friend was not at all happy with the execution of the enamel dial as it was blurry and colour wise undistinctive. He refused the watch and his AD talked to PP in order to get another piece. But after delivery of the second watch the friend claimed the same low quality of the dial and refused to buy again. Dials of both watches were in much lover quality than on 5131 or other 5231J displayed on the PP website.

This is just a story that I was told and I did not see the watches or any pics of the dials. I would be interested if any of you guys have experienced or heard of a similar issue.

Cayenne, I hope you get a 5231R! (For me the R and G versions of 5131 are significantly more appealing than the J.) I am confident that

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-06:46
the 5231R will be beautiful!
Interesting story about the the rejected 5231s. Never heard of something like that (but why would I)? When I got my 5131J years ago, after years of waiting and hoping for one, I must confess I was so thrilled to get it, that the thought of analyzing the dial, let alone possibly rejecting it never occurred to me. It would have been like returning a gift of a winning lottery ticket. Best, Patekova

Similar story here

 By: HelixL : January 3rd, 2021-09:08
Hey Cayene

Something similar happened to me with my 5131P. I did not have the guts to turn it down when the opportunity to purchase it surfaced. But I did notice two things with naked eye: poor enamelling job (bubbling, much more evident with loupe) and a ‘damaged’ golden thread next to the 20hr mark in picture.

Did take it to Patek, and after watch got sent to CH HQ for evaluation, they agreed with me and replaced the dial. A much better one came back... so all in all good response by manufacturer, but im sure quality control is not that solid these days...

Hi, Helix. Thanks for sharing your experience. Is it the original or the replaced dial in your photo? As I can't see the damaged golden thread in the 8 o'clock position. Thanks, Henry

 By: joenghenry : January 13th, 2021-06:58
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I‘d love to see the „Patek“ in the place of Geneva on the cities ring

 By: mrds : January 3rd, 2021-07:12
That‘d be my preferred, stealthy way of branding the watch.

In terms of 5131/5231, frankly I’m undecided. Love the 5131‘s fluid lines, the minute hand on the 5231 and the enamel work on both!

Thanks for your reply. Interesting idea about the placement of “Geneva”.

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-11:49
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5231j for me

 By: db1 : January 3rd, 2021-07:57
Something about the case speaks more to me. With the angles and lugs, smaller bezel, in yellow gold has a vintage feel. Also think the enamel work is different, more detailed for sure. Have heard the enamel artist shifted from mother (for 5131j) to her son for later models including the 5131p and 5231j. So styles are different.

I just got my 5231j and love it. A true milestone! Glad I’m part of the WT enamel family!


Congratulations on obtaining the 5231. The brown strap picks up the brown on the dial very nicely. Looks great on your wrist!

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-11:50
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Thank you!

 By: db1 : January 3rd, 2021-12:45
Very kind words. Much appreciated!

They are both quite desirable but the 5231 for me with the strap from the 5131!

 By: NautNut : January 3rd, 2021-09:23
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Yes, I can see where the yellow stitch might not be for everyone. Can’t switch even if I wanted to add variety. 21mm for 5131 and 20 mm for 5231.

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-11:52
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Are they both PP straps?

 By: NautNut : January 3rd, 2021-16:33
If so, what is the name of the color on the 5131?

Yes, they are both Patek custom straps. While I can’t say with certainty likely, “shiny royal blue alligator”.

 By: patekova : January 3rd, 2021-17:25
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Thank you.

 By: NautNut : January 4th, 2021-07:56
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shoot, change my answer to the 5231. the 21mm for the 5131 kind of annoying for straps.

 By: Dchang81 : January 3rd, 2021-21:53
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