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Joe, you have done much more than a "decent job" in answering the question "vintage or modern"?
Thanks for your detailed and very interesting analysis.
While emotion enters into your equation, to me it seems to be a laser sharp methodology. First pick the type of watch, e.g. WT or perpetual, then decide what era produced the most appealing (here's where emotion enters) examples of that type of watch.
For me, 5070 has it all as a "simple" chronograph. 5370P is new to the Patek family, but I think that these 2 models might well be the best Patek non perpetual chronos ever.
I think when it comes to perpetuals and perpetual chronos, there are great examples, both vintage and modern, from 2497/2438 to 5050/5496. From 1518/2499 to 3970/5020/5970.
Hard to beat the modern WTs unless one has a spare $2-3,000,000 for a 2 button cloisonné 1950s WT.
I agree for time only vintage in general carries the day, but 5227 with "enamelish" paint on dial and superb case is a great watch.
Best, patekova
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Patek 5070P and 5370P...i would say more like cousins than brothers
Many similarities, but also many differences. Manual wind chrono. 41mm v 42mm. Platinum. Both beautiful. But I would say cousins rather than brothers. I didn't have much opportunity to take pictures of the two together. Both now sharing the same safebox f...
an early impression....
....at 41mm, I thought it would wear quite big given its depth. I have a small wrist, but the shape of teh case cushions the watch superbly. Just 1mm smaller than the 5070, but it feels almost like a 39mm watch. Very very easy to wear.
Both are fantastic
but naturally, 5370P is the chronograph all others are compared to. Best, Kari
I think there is a nice symmetry to the two
I think that the differences are enough to make them very complimentary. The enamel dial does make a big difference to how the two watches appear on the wrist. I must check, but I am not sure if this is the only black enamel by Patek ever??? It creates a ...
True.
Patek had/has some other black enamel dials but naturally very limited. Patek often emphasises how special the enamel dials are. However, UN came out with a bunch of watches with enamel dials and that makes me wonder a bit. Best, Kari
What a photo. Amazing to see the similarities and contrasts.
I am very happy you are enjoying your new watch and that you have been wearing it much. No safe queen there. Regards, my friend.
To be fair.....
.....before i tried yours, I was concerned about the size and how it would wear for me. Once I tried yours one, i became convinced of the watch. I wore my own for two weeks....i couldn't take it off!!
Same here. I was also afraid of the size.
But, as soon as it was on my wrist, all doubts vanished.
Great to see them side-by-side and as you said
not really to compare. Each on its own is a iconic Chronograph. The rest is personal preference or a lucky choice of having both CC
indeed.....
...impossible to rank....just nice to compare the differences of which there are many.
ahhh.........
......i have some news for you there.....i am getting my original request.....it is coming. Farewell shiny.
...i think 5070 has been a big favourite on this forum for a very long time...
.....with the 5370, this is the first time a chrono has come along that has challenged my thinking. I would find it hard to seperate them, but if i HAD to...uhm.....
Very nice
Wow that 5370P goes perfectly with the shiny black leather strap with red stitching, giving it a more sporty touch, may i ask is it custom made?
I asked for Matt black with red stitching....
I got patent black with red stitching but the Matt black is arriving soon. I don\'t think it is custom but I may be wrong
That's a very appealing shot
and would make me want to build a chronograph collection. There is also a significant interpretation difference on the movements' side. Two parts of Patek's craftmanship and know-how. I'm thinking about many interesting watches to get in the future, WT, c...
the 5370 P does feel more comfartable on the wrist than the 5070
What a difference 1 mm can make. Looking forward to your review. Best Moritz
I can't stop looking at this photo.
Even my wife got mad at me for staring at my phone...
How true and wise.
But, as long as we treat them as queens, they LET us get away with a lot...
Two collection stoppers........
But I see them as the two old uncles of the family Everyone loves them but they are hard to get hold of- if you understand my drift Congrats again on a top class collection Julian
Thanks Julian
I worried that I would see them as too close....but the reality is anything but. Same DNA, but very different exposition.
Wow Joe - A perfect trifecta - 5070P, 5370P and 5131R !!! A triple congratulations!!!
You certainly have quickly completed this trio with rapid fire acquisition of 5370P and 5131R. All are amazing watches! I am very curious about something. You are straddling the dual Worlds of vintage and modern Pateks, acquiring some of the absolute best...
Vintage or modern?
Patekova, Thanks for clarifying the black enamel. I just couldn't think of one! You pose an interesting question on vintage versus modern. I suspect that across my collection, I own maybe 20% modern and 80% vintage. Within Rolex, I think i ended with a si...
Joe, you have done much more than a "decent job" in answering the question "vintage or modern"?
Thanks for your detailed and very interesting analysis. While emotion enters into your equation, to me it seems to be a laser sharp methodology. First pick the type of watch, e.g. WT or perpetual, then decide what era produced the most appealing (here's w...
and of course....
....you highlight a not insignificant factor.....price! 2499 would be lovely, for sure, but in a world where I have more projects than i do cash, the 2499 must be ignored! I would say that the area of perpetual chronograph is one where I will focus a lot ...
Thank you for the compliment. I neglected to specifically mention 3448/3450
For me these watches while clearly vintage are fairly large and chunky by vintage standards and thus also fulfill contemporary aesthetics. They are timeless (pun intended.) Also, unlike 2497/2438 which have a modern interpretation in 5396, 3448/3450 stand...
this sings to me a lot....
.....yes The 3450 is rarer and with the leap year indicator....but one of the things I love so much about the 3448 is the purity of the dial. I find the leap year indicator a distraction from one of the things I love on this genre. Hence, my love is 3448 ...
Two superlative watches
I usually have a strong preference for 38-40 mm. But I have to say the 5070 case is maybe the best ever constructed, even at 42 mm.
yes....
....i think i enjoy that 38-40mm range as optimal. In the case of 5070, i agree with you that the case is simply one of the best. It makes the watch. I would also say that the 5070 does not wear "small" for its 42mm either. The 5370 at 41mm does wear "sma...
on your pics 5070P is blurred, 5370P is clear...
... and 5070P still looks better to me. If i had to compare them : Dial : IMO Black is too hard of a color, stiff, "inflexible", especially the enamel black which maybe is as deep as a black can be. It doesn't let you "capture" it, contrary to a Matte bla...
on your last point...am working on it!!!
Comparing the two is hard. I will evaluate along the same lines as you.... On dial, the blue of the 5070 is spectacular. I agree with you that it is one of teh best blue dials they have ever done. Yet, a pure black enamel is also spectacular. It is as dee...
You are so convincing...
.... you dragged me to your point of view. Indeed, the black enamel carries something magic and mysterious in the deepness of the black and the texture of the enamel. Even if i like the blue color, we got to admit that its a draw here. As for factor X, to...
i remember the story well....
....i think it went something along the lines of "old school" British tradition. Blue or grey suit....no alternative but black leather shoes. Brown shoes? European not British. Its the British class system...we invented it to discriminate against people w...
An excellent Chrono duo! :-)
How does the 5070 black dial compare with the enamel black dial of 5370? Cheers, Gordon
Two astounding watch cousins!
All I can say is that I like this photo very much! And as a big fan of the 5070P, I can only hope to be able to acquire one someday...