Patek Philippe

the company, I might have a clue as to what watches would be discontinued and what types of watches might be introduced. But frankly, I am clueless. Perhaps, whether purposely or not, oblique statements from the company can lead to certain conclusions tha...  

But I realize, they don't want too many of a single model to be out there. Even a simple Calatrava model such as the 5127, they don't want there to be ten thousand identical colored 5127s out there. So they probably set a limit both in units, time, or oth... 

5164G ! What are your thoughts ?

You are happy with those two, bingo!!! Congrats 🎉

are certainly correct about how I feel about these 2 watches.

Patek will move all nautilus and aquanauts to precious metals and introduce a new steel line of watches with higher price points

If the 5164 is a money maker, they’ll discontinue it and one day make the 5164 v2 and call it the 5264. When 5711 was discontinued it was the most obvious thing in the world that a 5811 was coming down the pike. Panerai showed everyone the way how to make... 

This could kill the golden goose. They are smart enough and have the financial wherewithal to not sacrifice long term goals and prestige for short term profit.

but maybe the target market for 5164A was saturated? Please note that I talk about the target market, so real collectors. PP can probably track more or less well who of their real collectors owns what models. So maybe they realized that all real collector... 

Collectors are still on waiting lists when the watch they desire is discontinued. Adds to the Patek mystique.

I view the 5167 being on par with 5711 as original/base models. Then you have all the Nautilus variants as well as Aquanaut variants which come and go. I believe the discontinuation of the 5711 was a huge deal relative to any previous Nautilus variant dis... 

When that happens the question will be, will there be a time only steel Aquanaut successor. I think there will be. Thierry has indicated steel watches will still be made in the Aquanaut line and a steel time only Aquanaut can bring in new young collectors... 

As they created the white gold 5168 and other complications in Aquanaut in precious metals . The only Patek steel chronograph is the aquanaut avbl and no other exists in production . Next in line will be the aquanaut chronograph and probably 5167 for sure... 

I understand it is already a self selective group, and that there is easily a whole new generation of young billionaires. Still, if you aren’t an established client, then I don’t see PP providing preferential access to new collectors. Anyway, it will be a... 

Then there is what happens in practice when the supply, especially of the most desired pieces, is so outstripped by demand.

Steam seems to be coming off .. sales have slowed down as per salon and lesser enquiries on the steel sports as people have given up .

Difficult to predict anything. I see the transition from steel Aquanauts and Nautiluses to precious metals as a way to increase the retail price quickly, in order for Patek to take advantage of the premiums that the secondary market has made visible. In a... 

The future... who knows? 😅

a 5165 or some ilk, where the dual-time control is on the crown, as was the case with the 5269/200R-001, which Patek just retired. -Dean