Finish on standard vs high end Patek movements

Oct 29, 2018,16:40 PM
 

We sometimes hear that some of Patek’s higher end movements are finished better than their standard movements.  I don't have any minute repeaters, tourbillons, split second chronos or other extremely high-end pieces, but wanted to do a quick comparison between a standard 240 movement vs. what can probably fairly be described as a mid-tier movement in the shape of the 240 Q.

It is really difficult to create the exact same photo angles and light conditions when taking pictures, so please forgive me on that, but I hope the pics will still be somewhat interesting.

All pictures on the left is from a 5140 with 240 Q movement, while all pictures on the right is from a 5120 with the base 240 movement.  The watch with the 240 Q movement costs almost 4 times of the watch with the base 240 movement costs, this is obviously mainly due to the perpetual calendar complication.  But is there any difference in finish between the two?  You be the judge.

















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Thanks for the magnificent macro

 
 By: Miranda : October 29th, 2018-17:00
for me no difference! Thanks for the comparison

I dont know what to believe here....some pics 5140 has geneva seal and some pics have PP. Same with 5120 geneva seals are diff. Only thing that is clear is inconsistent polishing...

 
 By: redcorals : October 31st, 2018-04:53
...among all units (at least 4 here). While no two 5140s or even two 5120s can be completely alike how much latitude does PP allow within the same model is still unproven from these.

I suspect there isn't a big difference between the two you are comparing.

 
 By: nwk00 : October 29th, 2018-17:19
Because the perpetual also doesnt get the better finishing you see in the high end ones. I don't know where the cut off point is for Patek for them to justify higher end finishing. In this case, the movement bridges are rounded, devoid of nice sharp edges... 

It wouldn’t make sense for the parts department to segregate...

 
 By: Clueless_Collector : October 29th, 2018-17:28
and categorizes, say a micro rotor, to be polished differently. Whether there is a final inspection criteria for a higher end vs a standard watch, I cannot comment because I don’t know. By My human nature (which may be ugly 😳) inspecting a watch which is ... 

IMHO they produced parts in one go

 
 By: Gelato Monster : October 29th, 2018-21:32
but they sort and select an immaculate and refined for the higher end.

IMO the finishing of the movement does not contribute much on the resale value of the 5140...

 
 By: Greenwatch : October 29th, 2018-21:34
Even long before this amazing research done thanks to the OP, there were comments on the subdial arrangement which sort of “squish” certain numbers around the subdials, making the dial looks crowded. And this I think may have impacted the popularity and d... 

Am I seeing correctly that there are the vertical lines of mechanical polishing on the anglage for both movements?

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : October 29th, 2018-18:53
If there are other signs of hand or mechanical finishing to watch out for, I would be delighted to learn more. My thanks in advance.

Yes, you are seeing correctly.

 
 By: nwk00 : October 29th, 2018-20:40
Also, the perlage are closer together on the perpetual

Shame for Patek

 
 By: mohammad : October 29th, 2018-21:15
Such Bad finishing and quoting high prices . Vacheron Constantin Finishing is Superior to patek .

LOL

 
 By: Gelato Monster : October 29th, 2018-21:28
Truth hurts

Very bold statement, care to produce evidence like I am....

 
 By: Miranda : October 30th, 2018-00:12
Patek is actually less expensive Now the movement Vacheron Now Patek Tell me why the VC is better finished please To me both are equally well finished You better give a reponse, as you may be finished 👍🏻 ...  

I have the exact same two movements

 
 By: sham1 : October 29th, 2018-21:43
in my 5940G and the 7200R London Edition and I can confirm that the finishing is the same.

+1 [nt]

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : October 30th, 2018-03:06

I posted this in a different thread the other day, so forgive my redundancy.

 
 By: BMR : October 31st, 2018-07:06
This thread was probably the better place to put the information, but Larry Pettinelli did an interview with Gear Patrol from October 29, 2018 (two days ago) in which he states the level of finishing in a Calatrava has the same amount of finish as a minut... 

A little pyramid?

 
 By: patrick_y : September 6th, 2023-16:20