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Center seconds hand Pateks
Hi everyone,
I have gained a new found interest in the vintage Patek's that have a distinctive feature of a central seconds hand.
So far i have come across models with the Ref. 2533, Ref. 2508 and Ref. 570. I notice that most of these models from the 50's and 60's have a diameter of 34~35mm, and some of the sites that are selling them claim that it is not water resistant, while some says it is. Could you all enlighten me on several points?
1. Are these the only models that have a central seconds hand AND is hand wound? If there are others, is it possible to give me a more complete list, if not an exhaustive one?
2. They all contain the Cal. 27-SC?
3. Water resistant, yes or not?
4. Difference in the references, are they only aesthetic wise? I seem to see some with the baton hour markers, and some with dots, but specifically what makes them differ from each other?
5. Any of them have a stop-seconds (hacking) feature?
6. Are all references available in Stainless steel? I know these are the raries of the patek world, and i am very keen on acquiring one.
I hope to discover so much more into this fascinating world with all of you!
Any details rendered to me is much appreciated!
Best
Stephen
Center seconds hand Pateks
Hi everyone, I have gained a new found interest in the vintage Patek's that have a distinctive feature of a central seconds hand. So far i have come across models with the Ref. 2533, Ref. 2508 and Ref. 570. I notice that most of these models from the 50's...
Hi Stephan and welcome
As reagrds your questions 1.All vintage centre seconds are hand wound. I know of no auto SC 2. I think there are some other calibres beside the 27 SC but am not sure. This calibre is certainly the most common 3.. Not water resistant. Most vintage pieces a...
Thank you Julian!
G'day mate, Thank you for the warm welcome and the answers to all my questions. I look forward to seeing photos of your 2 because i can't seem to get enough of viewing these beauties! Cheers! Stephen
Center seconds hand Pateks
Hi Stephen, Attached is the Ref 1536 1947 with a 12"SC movement and of course the 565 and 2508 in steel you have referred to. Roni Roni...
Jeez I forgot how stunning those pieces are!!
SS and Breguet Have you ever seen any in platinum? Julian
Jeez I forgot how stunning those pieces are!!
Hi Julian No not the 565 or 2508 in Plat Roni
Mamma mia!
Hey there Roni! Thank you for posting such beautiful shots of your collection! The coincidental thing is that i have been viewing your post on TZ just this morning which you posted on Jan 10 last year with regards to your latest purchase the 565, and boy ...
Mamma mia!
Hi Stephen, Unfortunately it isn't a Patek....had it been I would be be an even happier person!! The dial/watch was commissioned in the 1950's by a Maltese nobleman at Universal directly to produce this watch with the painted enamel dial image of St. Paul...
Awesome!
This is just simply Holy. I love it. Roni would you mind taking a shot of the back too? Thanks! Stephen
Thanks for the historical info!
Hi Roni! Indeed, if it was a Patek, what a precious timepiece it shall be! But as it is, nonetheless very precious too! I have never seen such beautiful artwork before, and appreciate it very very much! Is the movement a hand wound too? Cheers! Stephen
565 with radium hands
The 565 was available with radium hands but those versions are very far and few between. I have been looking for one for some time now.
These Pateks are simply soo rare!
I wish you all the best in finding your piece! Cheers Stephen
Beautiful 1536
Hi Roni, Wonderful looking 1536 (what a dial and oh the lugs!) and I imagine one of the great restorations from Geneva? I now have two in the process (active few months) but it will probably be a year or more between my "before" and "after" pictures! All ...
Beautiful 1536
Hi! Thanks The 1536 is how I bought it...it hasn't been to Geneva...the dial ,which you cant tell too well from the pic, is a two tone silvered dial You may find yours coming back quicker as with the recent 200 to 300% price hike by Patek to overhaul vint...
Beautiful pieces!
Thanks for posting these beautiful photos of these incredible pieces!
Centre second Pateks
There is also the REF 3483 with the 27SC movement, only available in steel. It is very, very hard to find. I can find less than 10 that have been sold at auction in the last 20 years....
Wowsa!
G'day, Less than 10 in 20 years and you own one?! You are a very blessed man! Continue to enjoy it in the best of health! Cheers Stephen
Two more with a pic of the 27 SC
Ref 2466 Ref 1491 and the movement itself If you can find one in SS go for it - very rare despite seeing 3 here!! Julian...
Thanks for the gigantic shots!
I much appreciate this Julian. Yes i am still learning much about it, and i think that's the general consensus as well, that if i can find an SS and it is within my fundings that i should pull on it without haste. And is that a blued steel hairspring that...
PP 3483 SS
That's a lovely watch! Congrats! Definitely added to my wish list. Thanks Roni
Hi Stephen
I can see you " straying" from your favourites Lange and Panerais. Cheers,dreamer
Hoho, those i am always faithful to
I prefer to see this as, "diversifying". But of course i'v got some massive plans for Lange, and 3 Panerais this year! Just contemplating, in the end if the search comes to no fruition, what can i do as well ay? Cheers Stephen
Thats alright sas
I believe one never tires of looking at vintage Pateks! Thank you for your share of a beautiful and unique watch! Cheers Stephen
PP 1503 SS
Nice one! What year was it made?There is one with one of the Auctioneers (not the big 3) in London I think Roni
1503 ss
Thats the one I was referring to! Was it similar to yours (dial?) I love your dial..very deco. Thanks Roni
Same ref.
The one at Bonham's had a slightly different configuration on the dial. www.bonhams.com Thanks Steve.
vintage sweep second movements
Hi, to expand on Roni's post, both the 565 and 2508 are screwback and thus water resistant. There was the 12-120SC movement used in the 30's and 40's that was also center sweep second. The 27SC being the most popular, it also had the double geneva seal si...
Superb info John
Thank you very much for this. Btw, since our dearest moderator did not allow the links to be posted, i missed it. Would you mind PM me the link of the website instead? I'd like to read more! Don't forget to put spaces between the address as the PM system ...
Something to add...
Cal. 12 SC was equipped with a special device provided from Piguet which modified Cal. 12-120 to a center second movement. This caliber was widely spread over many different references and I recall several Calatravas Ref 96 and Ref 1491 with this movement...
article you may find informative
Sorry but as per forum rules we do not allow links to websites that do not allow links towards us! Thank you for your understanding. Dje This message has been edited by Dje on 2011-06-08 09:13:49
Water resistant.
The 3483 is also a screw back. I dont have any movement I favour more than another. Why do you favour the 27SC John??
water resistant
2 reasons. I really like sweep seconds vs sub second and it has a chronometer rating which in my book puts it on the top. Very accurate and robust movement. John
You are making me fall in love with this John!
Sweep seconds are very very beautiful IMHO and the word "Chronometer" just gets me going! And not to mention "Very accurate"! Wowsa! Stephen