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Took me a while to read this Pluto / Socrates stuff
Myself, coming from the early, ok maybe not that early… bought my first Pam in 2002 and many thereafter, I also gave up on that brand years ago. And sold most of them. Although, weirdly, acquired my last Pam 687 when it came out. Nostalgia kicked in? Even my wife asked me what has just happened?
Didn’t we say: “we wore Pams because we were cool? And today they are wearing them to be cool?”
Either way, for me personally, I guess the passion evolved over the years, Panerai just had and has too many limited editions and re-editions for my taste. I sort of fell out of love with it.
Like my kids say “it is what it is” 😂. I’m sure there are tons of Panerai lovers out there. But hey, at least, they are available (majority of them) and attainable! Haven’t seen many waiting lists and their shops are not empty either!!
Just my couple cents…
Glass houses....
that's where we live nowadays. The social networks phenomenon, has stripped everyone of us of our privacy. Busy bodies can't wait to catch people, companies, so called V.I.P.s red handed and splash them on the pages of every mean of communication there is...
I’m sorry to hear that you feel this way about Panerai …
Clearly something more is behind this.
It goes back to Bonati's days....
and I'll leave it at that, since is just matter of personal preferences
He retired in 2018 !
As you are the Panerai Moderator Can I ask why at this point you feel this way ?
+1. I'm curious as well.
And Panerai isn't the worse offender. Lots of even worse offenders out there! From small independents to large brands.
I'm the Panerai moderator....
emeritus :P There are ways and ways to make sure a managing director is always on the right side of the...balance sheet. Let's say that I don't agree with the ones that past and present Panerai's M.D. have chosen. That being said it's their prerogative to...
Several topics here.
Deep stuff. I imagine you don't find the same enjoyment wearing your Panerais as you did 20 years ago.
I do...
but only because I wear what I consider PANERAI, not concoctions manufactured by Panerai The motto I've lived by (and created few companies from scratch, around it) has always been: I don't want to give them what THEY want. I want them to ask me for what ...
I agree
With regards to the influencer/social media distraction. I like that I can go on an app and see a video to watch reviews and get a better feel for a piece. For example I have no AD (except rolex) in my town so I rely on this. However, when I see people wh...
I'm not upset at Panerai's...
CEO and I don't want him to run things the way I would. I simply disagree with what he does and make my choices. No stigma on him but, I spend my money the way I WANT
Yup
If they drive away enough of their loyal supporters once the tides turn and watches aren't as strong on the secondary market they will have a problem. The influencer crowd will dry up, hopefully some of the passionate patrons remain. - Kevin
The 'Other Side' of the coin is....
The internet has greatly helped many companies. From lower cost in marketing reach to also informing a far higher amount of enthusiasts with ease. Same with building mailing lists, and in communication via a VIP email list. Many independents have greatly ...
I L O V E...
Internet. It's how it is utilized by individual people that, on occasions, causes me to scratch my head
Social media....
has, inherently, far more negatives than positives. Primarily the very nature of the business model, but moreover the manner in which the majority of people, given human nature, inevitably end up using those platforms. Enjoythemusic has outlined the poten...
You speak to me from the soul, enjoythemusic.
It's about transparency and honesty. And just when you really love a brand (and I still like Panerai for many reasons), it must be possible to openly and transparently address and discuss "annoyances“. If not here on this wonderful website, then where?? P...
Well said Thomas
>>>it must be possible to openly and transparently address and discuss "annoyances“.<<< Agreed, and we must remember that when it comes to passion, human emotions can follow suit... Am guilty of letting my emotions sometimes get the better of me, so am no...
No...shilling please.
be careful when you "promote" companies by name. You might want to do it by private message
Understood...
And you make an excellent point. Am a journalist so i very much am aware of such things, that yes do happen with YouTubers, influencers, etc. Disclosure: Have no financial interest any timepiece company Am not paid by / no 'favorable' discounts Heck, it's...
I good example of how social media works…
response to a post about one company that ends up singing the praises of another, which, surprise, the responder owns a piece from.
I think that is an example of current Panerai getting it right…
Plus with a lifetime warranty the movement is assured 🙂
Agreed, and am a big fan of TRON so was sold on it instantly.
The table clock is perfect. I love the materials, the solidity, and the lume makes it easy to read at night. (Very friendly humor) Wait... are we allowed to talk about table clocks on WatchPS? 😊😎
The internet has helped many watch companies...
...such as Independents, sure, but Independents' current popularity is also partially due to artificial means. When Richemont and Swatch (among others) signaled intention to sell through boutiques and sometimes online direct, rather than bringing in rapid...
It is really about TRUST. Transparency is just one way to build trust for brands that don't already have it or, sadly, who have lost it.
One of my mentors over the years used to like to remind us that retail was simple, people just want to buy things they desire from brands they trust. When a new brand comes on the scene, transparency helps build that trust but realistically that's only on...
Do you also not purchase "it takes a year to make a Rolex" Rolex?
What about machine-finished (not hand-finished) Pateks from the early 2000s to today? What about Lange that took shortcuts to finishing on places that the owner doesn't see (not to mention how Glashutte Original has what I consider to be a greater claim t...
I agree with you, IWC.
I don't get it. Perhaps it's partly due to folks not knowing the real history of the watchmaking industry. We're somehow getting scandalized here by common practice and how the Swiss watchmaking Industry has worked for...well for as long as there has been...
That may all be true.
However, does that mean it's okay if other brands do it, too? The fact that other brands also take trust-damaging measures may be right, but doesn't excuse anything. It's basically about trust, transparency and openness and therefore we should have the sa...
I hear you, Thomas - each of us need to determine for ourselves which brands we want to personally trust.
I'm more than open to discussing these topics...that said, folks can't seem to reconcile that almost all (if not all) watch companies have 'revelations' that folks can slay on these pages. It's often based on the fads of the day and time. I've shared befo...
Reading this thread and some other posts, I'll try guessing
It appears there's downgrading/reduction in technical specifications that is deliberately obfuscated, a deliberate betrayal. Example being the hacking function quietly removed as a running change to a particular caliber. Another example could be using a b...
A couple of thoughts...
"It appears there's downgrading/reduction in technical specifications that is deliberately obfuscated, a deliberate betrayal." Similar to when it was published years ago that Omega was renaming basic ETA movements found in lower-cost watches as Omega cali...
A couple (actually, several) replies...
Removing a function is a spec downgrade. Stop-seconds is a function, and the direction is to add hacking, not remove. The latest PP Calatravas add it. Brands highlight when their tourbillons have it. One can go on. Thus far, I'm not into Omega, so I can't...
Thanks for your reply - hopefully no hard feelings.
I'm not convinced that hacking vs non-hacking is a 'downgrade'. I'll take a non-hacking movement any day that is more robust and accurate over a hand-finished hacking movement that is finicky, not accurate, and in the SPA every few months or years. Others...
“We'll end by agreeing to disagree and will hopefully remain virtual WIS friends.”
Very nice final statement. ☺️ May I quote Bertolt Brecht additionally: »Wir stehen selbst enttäuscht und sehn betroffen/Den Vorhang zu und alle Fragen offen.« »We ourselves stand disappointed and look concerned/The curtain is closed and all questions are ...
Lol, thanks, Thomas.
At the end of the day, we wouldn't be robustly discussing if we didn't care and weren't in a community that cares. So even in disagreement, this is all a good thing.
Trust is everything.
There is no better and more concise way of expressing it! Best Thomas
Took me a while to read this Pluto / Socrates stuff
Myself, coming from the early, ok maybe not that early… bought my first Pam in 2002 and many thereafter, I also gave up on that brand years ago. And sold most of them. Although, weirdly, acquired my last Pam 687 when it came out. Nostalgia kicked in? Even...
I'm mad at panerai
For making the 42mm luminor due with basically no water resistance!