I love them

The problem is that 18K euro is a lot of money. When I see a 4 K panerai which I like a lot I don't have to think too long about it. I buy the watch. When I don't like it anymore or I want something else, I sell it and the loss will be almost nothing. So, a 4K Panerai is imo always a lot of fun. On the other hand, 18K .... You can buy 4 Panerai's for that amount or you can buy a Lange or Patek. A simple gold Calatrava is less expensive than this titanium Panerai

But when I read more about minerva and it's movements I must confess that this movement is 400 times more interesting than the unitas, while the price is 'only' 4 times more

The most sought after Panerai's today are those with the Rolex movement. Maybe one day collectors will give an arm and a leg to get such a Minerva based Panerai 309 - 322.

And another thing about the price. Compare it with the 127 ...

The 127 ( 1950 ! pce) with a cheap movement costs about 17.000 euro today

The Panerai 309/322 (only 150 pce) with a haute horlogerie, high level movement will cost 18.000 euro

Now, tell me which is the most insane the 127 or the 309/322

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Asi's post got me thinking..If 309 and 322 were the last PAMs with Minerva mvmt...

By: davilo : April 14th, 2008-12:37

would those models be more desirable to the Panerai collecting community? I've heard mixed comments of the pricing and value, connection with history, etc. But wondering what other's feelings are if Panerai did come out with a news release saying that 322...

I love them

By: Bruno.M1 : April 14th, 2008-12:55

Yep, but don't see the historical link

By: amanico : April 14th, 2008-12:57

Between Minerva and Panerai execpt maybe for some tools like the curvimeter which is equipped with a Minerva movement... And the price, my friend, the price... When you think that an Angelus 8 days was under this price on the catalogue price, I mean... Ad...

But Nicolas

By: Bruno.M1 : April 14th, 2008-13:24

"When you think that an Angelus 8 days was under this price on the catalogue price, I mean... Add some more few bucks, and you'll have the Logo pre v grail... Or save a lot of bucks and you'll get a Mare pre v..." That is exactly what I don't get. The Ang...

Bruno, I love this discussion

By: amanico : April 14th, 2008-13:36

Angelus was a true Historical movement used in the Vintage Panerai..Its interest is not horlogical, but historic. As for the pre v, you're right, I'd say that the 203/A is around 2 times the price of a 322. BUT, the fine point with the pre vendome pieces ...

Independant= Pam 80, to be complete...

By: amanico : April 14th, 2008-13:42

I would like to throw a curve ball

By: Bill : April 14th, 2008-14:52

Setting aside that one movement may be superior to another movement as I am in no way qualified to make any comments or pass judgment. Why is a Chanel leather belt $800-1000 dollars when a similar looking belt is worth $50. They both hold up your pants. Y...

Imo, the 322 and 309 are unique on its own..

By: colantotte : April 14th, 2008-17:17

Price is subjective and probably marketed for a niche segment. With only 150 pcs produced, 100 pieces black dial and 50 pieces tobacco dial, 48mm case I suppose, these watches may have been spoken for. They are a class of its own with the gold ring surrou...

great points all...it's clear to me as a watch company like panerai

By: davilo : April 14th, 2008-18:14

and with their need to build the product, you can never go back and recreate the original 26, 301A, 201A (for example) in its original form and design. If that was done, that would signal Panerai is willing to manufacture to old spec and possibly risk dil...

The real question is

By: patrickh : April 14th, 2008-23:01

do you like them (with your heart and wallet), or love (with your heart only) them. The price is another issue. IMO, I always buy a watch I love. I hope to get one; regards, patrickh

Of Course, Patrick

By: amanico : April 14th, 2008-23:07

Buy what you like is the golden rule, but at this price I can get other cult watches...Like the Pam 7 white dial + the Bomba Pam 64, and I'll even still have some money for a 232! But if this 322 is your holy grail, its just perfcet...Go on it. It was jus...

I am finding as I get more into the Panerai brand that it is becoming apparent that many people are buying Panerai watches, especially limited editions, as pure investments for trading. I am sure that most of the 322s will not see a wrist and will probabl...

Simon...I don't think it's entirely true about access to high demand models

By: davilo : April 16th, 2008-06:08

While many of tne new "high demand" models seem hard to buy at a ADl, I'm an example of one who found one of my "holy grail" panerais at the most impossible or unlikely time. I bought the 246 from an AD back in December after reading Anthony Tsai's review...