Few thoughts...

Jan 21, 2013,18:30 PM
 

I've always thought the submersible is a bit under appreciated but in my mind, it represents the DNA of Panerai the best.    Having seen various after-market PVD/DLC'ed out PAM24/25, I didn't think it looks half bad.    It's only a matter of time before OP came out w/ their own version.

I knew they were struggling a little bit w/ the rotating bezel on ceramic/composite casing and I'm glad they seemed to have got it all figured out.

As to people's outburst of disatisfaction on the remake of bronzo, perhaps the question we need to ask ourselves is:  Is this behaviour anything new?

OP, since day 1, was all about 'remaking' the pieces from the past.    The difference is the 'duration' between the original piece & the clone.

It used to be 60yrs, between the real vintage & remake (or should I say hommage?) (3646 vs. PAM21, 6152/1 vs. PAM127) then it shrunk to ~10yrs? (5201/201A vs. PAM0000, PAM21 vs PAM232) then it went further below 10yrs (26A,B vs. 26K, 28A/B/C vs 28L, etc etc) then down to ~5yrs (249 vs 448, PAM217 vs PAM368, PAM194 vs PAM285)

As a matter of fact, I was just talking to a fellow collector:  I'm sort of glad that they slap on that PR on the 507.   Imagine if they keep it an exact clone by perhaps changing the dial colour to brown or try to do it even BETTER by taking out the date AND making it regular production?    I should count myself blessed for being a lucky owner of PAM382.  (Or am I doing this too soon? smile )

There were also concerns about the perceived value of the ORIGINAL dropping as a result of the act of cloning.   While we don't want to drill too much on pricings, but have we noticed 3646 or even PAM21 dropping in value since the introduction of PAM232?  

Don't forget they're a business afterall, in fact, part of a huge conglomorate with unique corporate culture.   As such, practice like this should not be surprising at all, after all the years of observations.    In fact, I would argue that if it weren't for the group's business sense, we probably won't witnessed such a price appreciation of this magnitude over the last 15yrs, due to the organic growth of the brand.

Your thoughts?

This message has been edited by Jester on 2013-01-23 23:23:00


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I like your post very much Alec, alot of info

 
 By: Mech : January 21st, 2013-19:22
in it I didn't really pay attention to before, especially when I wasn't really a bronzo fan that much. The remake allows me to spend little more them reading the related posts, and to be honest, it's really an understated piece. At least to me, it drew my... 

To a certain degree

 
 By: Jester : January 21st, 2013-19:46
I do agree w/ your assessment on the 'lack' of progress. However, as I've often mentioned, I think this is partly 'our' fault. The collectors, or the market, would put a premium whenever we have some models w/ strict lineage to the history. (Ok, this is M... 

Agreed

 
 By: Stefan2 : January 21st, 2013-21:07
I think you're absolutely correct. What we're seeing is perhaps an over-responsiveness to the core collectors, with perhaps over-repetitive pieces for those whom obsess over what is "historically correct", with an attempt to find favor among the broader, ... 

I'm liking the PAM508 Submersible black ceramic a lot

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 21st, 2013-21:46
It looks really wicked with the faux patina luminova IMO. And I think it'll look better with the Panerai rubber strap. Too bad Panerai didn't make a black nylon strap w/ matching faux patina luminova stitching! As far as the new Bronzo PAM507 w/ power res...  

The 512 got my attention

 
 By: Nicko16 : January 22nd, 2013-01:54
Since I got a 6.5 inch wrist I can just pull off a 44mm, Ive been wanting a Rad for a while, saw this and I like it a lot!

Am I the only one who likes the quick change strap system?

 
 By: Darron : January 22nd, 2013-18:40
I have it on my 233, and it is super convienent...wondering why they didn't put it on the 512...

I like the quick change strap system too but I find it a necessity

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 22nd, 2013-19:53
because I actually enjoy using a screwdriver to unscrew the screws and screwing them back when doing a strap change. I've done it so many times that I'm accustomed to it already. Cheers, Anthony

would it be stupid to have the 508 and let my 335 go?

 
 By: faiwu2 : January 23rd, 2013-21:40
since I ususally try to keep once piece at the i love it in 47mm and ceramic!!!!!!!!!!! i am started to think 44mm is fairly small since the second week i got it

If I had to choose between the PAM508 and PAM335

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : January 24th, 2013-10:25
I'd choose the former, so my answer would be no it would not be stupid :) Cheers, Anthony

I've read quite a lot, last couple of days....

 
 By: sergio : January 22nd, 2013-20:45
and as usual, my mantra stays the same, from a customer's point of view, they can do whatever they feel they have to do to: 1) have a healthy balance sheet 2) further the Panerai brand and keep it going. From a Panerai liker's (I never could bring myself ... 

Good post Alec, but on a slightly different note,

 
 By: John HS : January 24th, 2013-16:13
I really love Panerai marketing and the brand, but their RND is otherwise strange. Look at 386, 375, 438 and even 339. You do not roll out new models and can't produce it later. In any other companies, if new products can't be roll out after media communi... 

You said.....

 
 By: Mech : January 26th, 2013-21:06
" It used to be 60yrs, between the real vintage & remake (or should I say hommage?) (3646 vs. PAM21, 6152/1 vs. PAM127) then it shrunk to ~10yrs? (5201/201A vs. PAM0000, PAM21 vs PAM232) then it went further below 10yrs (26A,B vs. 26K, 28A/B/C vs 28L,... 

Here's a quick shot of my favourite

 
 By: Jester : January 28th, 2013-05:16
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