A view on the Vintage JLC Triple Date Reference 2721.

Jan 08, 2013,00:00 AM
 



With or without moonphase, the Triple date, made between the mid 40ies to the Mid Fifties, is certainly to be classified among the most beautiful Vintage JLCs.

Better than beautiful, I would say " refined ".

Let's focus here on the Triple Date.

An extract from the JLC catalog, circa 1947:



Two references were produced, the 2721 and the 2723.

The difference between the two references is mainly about the size, the 2721 case being 35 mm big, while the 2723 is 3 mm smaller.

Let's see all the details on this 2721...

1/ The case:

In my opinion, the " big " 35 mm case is more appealing than the " modest " 32 mm, which looks a bit too small.

The ratio diameter / thickness is excellent, the proportions are harmonious.



Two assets which enhance the class of this watch: The godroned side of the case, and the teardrop lugs.

The codes of " Belle Horlogerie " are here, obviously.







At 2 and 4 o'clock, you will find 2 small pushers: The lower is used to set the date, while the upper one allows to change the month.

The day is changed with the crown. Easy and practical.

Here you have a snap back case, and when you remove it, all comes: The case back and the dial, from the plexy and the case.



The non signed crown is slim, but easy to wind. When Elegance is not detrimental to comfort of use...

To be complete, I have to say that the Ref 2721 came in different metals: Stainless steel, solid gold, or stainless steel / gold.

2/ The Dial:

Like for the case, there were also different dials, with one common thing: The beauty.

Copper, silver, applied hour markers, or associated with applied numbers, luminous or not, black, dauphine hands or luminous skeleted, there was an impressive variation of possibilities.

I count a bit on Clavi to feed the topic on this matter, with some pictures from his collection, but just for the pleasure of the eyes, and for the need of the demonstration, here is one picture to be credited to him:



I will here focus on the black dial of my 2721, which is amazingly powerful and elegant at the same time.

A superb layout of the dial, with a very pleasant combination of colors.

A white minute indexes at the outside part of the dial, on which is stuck the date, in red, then the amber hour markers, the day and the month windows, and a generous small second subdial, all these elements literally exploding on a vibrant black dial.

Eye catching:





I'm not very sure that the skeleton losange gands are the correct ones, on my watch, as, as far as I know, I think they are differently shaped, like on the following picture:



For the pleasure 2 close up of this awesome dial, without any plexy:





This black dial is not only mesmerizing, it is also quite rare, even if I don't have the production numbers.

3/ The movement:

Here again, things are not simple, as there were 3 movements, the first one being the Cal 451/ A, which was produced between 1944 and 1945 in 400 pieces, then replaced by the Cal 464/ A between 1944 and 1945 in a production of 1800 pieces. ( Informations provided by Zaf Basha ).

Then came the Cal 484/ A which was used for both the Triple Date and the Triple Date Moonphase, produced between 1945 and 1949 in a quantity of 8250 movements.

The Cal 484/ A is a manual wound movement, offering a 50 hours power reserve, beating at 18 000 vibrations per hour, which received a gilt or a rodhium finish ( both have been observed ) and a pare choc protection.

As we speak about the finish of the movement, it is also one of the interest of the Triple Date, which has to be mentionned.

The anglages are awesome, the decoration is sober, both playing the partition of elegance.

Here are some pics borrowed, once again, to Clavi, pics which are worth any words:





4/ Thoughts and conclusion:

The criterias of a fine watch, in my opinion, are a fine case, a great dial and a nice movement.

I do think that these cirterias are gathered in these Vintage JLC Triple Dates, Moonphase or not, as demonstrated above.

The rich diversity of these watches will allow each of us to hunt and find our own Triple Date, if we ever find one.

Indeed, these watches cannot be considered as rare, as they were produced from 1947 to 1955, according to the catalogs, but finding a specimen in good condition is not that an easy mission, and, if you add the different movements used on them, you can approximatively deduce that The Triple Dates, moonphase or not, were produced at around 15 000 pieces, which is not that common.

At this time, there were not cheap watches, as the last known MSRP, in 1952, for a Ref 2721 or 2723 ( no difference in the price, though ) was 240 Swiss Francs, for the stainless steel version.

The Triple Date is certainly one of these watches which are strongly linked to the D.N.A of the Grande Maison.

Indeed, the roots are so strong that even nowadays, we have a modern version of this historical watch, since its rebirth in the mid 90ies.

One last point about the size, for those who wonder if even the " big " case is not too small, and better than words, a shot, on a 17 centimeters hairy wrist:



Definitely a watch to fall in love with, and to definitely consider in a Vintage JLC Collection, in my point of view.



Best to All,

Nicolas.
This message has been edited by amanico on 2013-01-08 08:17:57 This message has been edited by amanico on 2013-01-12 06:58:13

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One thing that struck me...

 
 By: MervC : January 8th, 2013-00:49
One thing that struck me...was the finishing of the movement anglages. Very good. Never knew they did this so well 60 years ago.

They did it also, and before, on some pocket watch movements.

 
 By: amanico : January 8th, 2013-08:05
And to say all, I would love to see that level of finish on modern movements, too! Best, Nicolas

Jaeger-LeCoultre's elegance

 
 By: Dje : January 8th, 2013-01:21
Hi Nicolas, Thank you for sharing your black beauty! You know my love for the tear drop lugs triple calendar watches made by Jaeger-LeCoultre in the 40s and 50s (I have nothing against the close related cousins from Vacheron Constantin either). This desi...  

It was time to share it, as t is almost two years that I got it. ;)

 
 By: amanico : January 8th, 2013-08:07
Exquisite watch, superb movement, impressive dial.... The moonphase, too is superb. Maybe we'll get one, one day! Best, and thanks for viewing, my friend. Nicolas.

The relationship to V-C calendar watches...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : January 8th, 2013-11:12
is something that interests me as well. As far as I recall they used the same base calibre - but did they also share the same complication plate? Thanks for any insight! Magnus

So would I!

 
 By: Dje : January 10th, 2013-02:03
Hi Magnus, I'd love to know too, but I have no idea! If I ever get hired by one of the two companies..... :-) Best Dje

No idea

 
 By: Dje : January 10th, 2013-05:03
Hi, If I remember well they don't have the same bridge architecture, even if they are apparently based on the same plate. I have no idea if: JLC did it all. JLC furnished all rough parts and VC finished and assembled them. JLC furnished the base plate and... 

What a beautiful watch my friend! and a...

 
 By: Subexplorer : January 8th, 2013-06:48
... great post with awesome photographs it deserves! I remember seeing it "in the hand" during our meeting. It makes my heart beat faster! I love that black dial and indexes in contrast! What amazes me, is that JLC developed and produced this kind of watc...  

Suprisingly, we don't mention this reference very often.

 
 By: amanico : January 8th, 2013-08:12
Which is not fair nor normal. A renewed pleasure to see one, my dear Abel. Thanks for your input. Un fuerte abrazo. Nicolas

This is what I like from the vintage world...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : January 8th, 2013-08:29
Their character and originality, the production we remind of are not copy/paste from a brand to the other. I'm also very happy to read about it as I own one from my familly and didn't know much about it. Your collection seems to show hidden pieces of inte...  

Cherish it, Mark. This is a great watch, which may deserve a good service.

 
 By: amanico : January 8th, 2013-08:41
Not the dial, but the hands, maybe, and the movement, for sure. Still have some pieces to unveil, but it was time to reveal this one. ;) Best, Mark. Nicolas

This is, as a friend likes to define ...

 
 By: nilomis : January 8th, 2013-08:34
A chic watch. The tear drop lugs carries a sculptural effect to the case. Thanks for posting. Cheers, Nilo

My favorite vintage JLC by far...

 
 By: hbm : January 8th, 2013-09:29
...took a long time to track down this particular variation but I did with a the help of a JLC expert. The modern Master Date (no moonphase) was the first mechanical watch I ever bought for myself, so this vintage compadre has completed the circle. ...  

This watch is "Pure Poetry" Wow! You always amaze me at...

 
 By: Subexplorer : January 8th, 2013-10:55
... how you find the precise words to describe a watch. You surely are a poet of Horology my dear friend! And I enjoy so much reading your prose. Un abrazo afectuoso, Abel.

For sure, one of the nicest

 
 By: karmin : January 8th, 2013-12:30
Hi Nicolas, thanks for this very attractive presentation. You're right, this model is indeed a must amongst vintage JLCs : I regularly wear mine with inextenguishable pleasure and would love to find a black version like yours... I recently read (but canno...  

Zaf may be the one who wrote that.

 
 By: amanico : January 8th, 2013-13:16
Thanks, Karmin, for your kind words. Yes, the black is spectacular, but every Triple Date from this period is a must have. Such like yours. Best, my friend. Nicolas

Very nice version with the long index

 
 By: Marv : January 8th, 2013-13:23
A limited batch of the Triple Date with Moonphase was indeed released in the early 80s. The reference is 141.008.1 I always though that the case was the same as the vintage model, except for the engravings. Based on their serial numbers, the movements wer... 

Your black triple date is breathtaking

 
 By: Marv : January 8th, 2013-13:12
What a beautiful watch! I already told you how much I like this version of the Triple Date. The 2721 is a very nice reference (I though this watch was also referenced as 2904), but your black version is breathtaking, especially in such an pristine conditi... 

It took me some time to find one in good condition...

 
 By: amanico : January 8th, 2013-13:31
And now, it also has the good hands... So, my pleasure is entire. ;) Thanks, Marv. Best, Nicolas

Sublime Nicolas, that's one word to describe this.....

 
 By: Sandgroper : January 9th, 2013-06:35
jewel. It looks great on your wrist too, as for the hands I love the one on your watch even if there is a shadow of a doubt in your mind. Thank you for the great pictures and instructive post. Cheers, Francois

It is more than a shadow of a doubt, in my mind,

 
 By: amanico : January 9th, 2013-10:53
As the correct hands are these one: But yes this is a jewel! Best, and thanks for your input, my friend. Nicolas ...  

Yes Sir, and I agree that these are more suited...

 
 By: Sandgroper : January 9th, 2013-15:39
you know I love these kind of hands, whatever the name...I have forgotten....:), however the ones on your jewel are not bad at all, no shadow of a doubt! Cheers my friend. Francois

awesome triple date...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : January 9th, 2013-08:06
... have been looking for triple date since knowing its existence of this beauty. this black peral now certainly adds oil onto this hot pan... hurry hurry!!! anyway, thanks for sharing your view on this elegant classic. by the way, it is not only having s...  

Black Beauty .. Timeless elegance.. Balanced Finesse !

 
 By: hs111 : January 10th, 2013-12:48
Hmmm .. these TD's are special !! What a lovely post: Truly enjoyed your review and your great pics ( the ones without the plexy and the close-ups are awesome..) . Really a wonderful piece with all the ingredients of a so desirable vintage,a true example ...  

They are all magnificient, my dear HS. And I start to understand those of us who collect

 
 By: amanico : January 10th, 2013-22:16
These JLC Triple dates, as the dials make them look very different. And equally appealing, such as yours. All the very best, my friend. Nicolas

To me there is vintage and VINTAGE...

 
 By: moc : January 11th, 2013-01:58
and this belongs to the latter.... Teardrop lugs,sublime layout,elegance of a king,killer colour combination,movement finished like it should,overflowing charm......Nico one question:of all the tribute that JLC are releasing,cant you push your buttons and... 

It is a long time that JLC has one Triple Calendar in the catalog.

 
 By: amanico : January 11th, 2013-04:33
With, or without moonphase, my friend. So, I doubt they imagine adding such a Tribute in the family. Unless they create a new manual movement... Best, Nicolas

True but...

 
 By: moc : January 11th, 2013-10:15
there was already an alarm in production and they released a TTpolaris, there was already a diver and they delivered a TT Deep sea, so they have a triple calendar and.....as you said a manual movement with exquisite finish.......That would be great. Mo

Great watch Nicolas

 
 By: 02acs : January 11th, 2013-16:28
And write up. Love the black dial on that one!

That is an impressive combination. But the silver dials are top class, too.

 
 By: amanico : January 11th, 2013-21:43
I know whzere is one silver dial in the 35 mm case. If I find the time, I will try to go and take some photos. These are superb watches. Best, Nicolas

JLC TRIPLE DATE

 
 By: sueno213 : January 11th, 2013-17:07
This is my JLC triple date moon phase. I bought it from South Africa, at first, I thought it was rather small, 35mm without crown, but I fell in Love, what can I say ...  

Interesting indeed, the more this watch looks at me....

 
 By: Sandgroper : January 14th, 2013-11:58
the more I like it.!?? Vintage watches look at you and call you, then, as you know my friend, they swallow you and you fly! A plus mon Ami! Ton ami Francois

They eat my brain a bit too much, too. ;)

 
 By: amanico : January 14th, 2013-12:05
See you soon! Amicalement Votre. Nicolas

Eating your brain they should not! Beautiful, watches or..

 
 By: Sandgroper : January 14th, 2013-13:43
time pieces, beautiful painting or pieces of engineering, beautiful jewellery, engravings, hand writings, knowledge of how to portray and sublime beauty, indeed fills the brain never drains it nor eats it. Having exquisite tastes makes the filling harder.... 

The obsession eats my brain.

 
 By: amanico : January 14th, 2013-13:46
I still have to find 4 or 5 Vintage JLCs to officially end the hunt.... And dman, they are hard to find! Best, my friend. Nicolas

These Triple dates are true gems

 
 By: Clavi : January 16th, 2013-04:05
The Triple Date / Triple Date Moonphase (Aka Calendar), and more generally the Teardrop family is what I consider to be vintage Jaeger LeCoultre most refined watches. Not only are they extremely elegant and detailed, but, as you rightly pointed, the level...  

I was fearing those pictures, Clavi.

 
 By: amanico : January 16th, 2013-04:23
;) Better than words, they perfectly illsutrate the richness of the past production, and the appeal of these Triple Dates. Candy for the eyes, food for the brain, joy for the heart. Best, Nicolas