Independents at Geneva Watch Days, my time there and what was seen (BE WARNED, enough photos to melt your face 😂🤣)...

Aug 28, 2020,10:41 AM
 

I started a thread a few days ago asking if anyone was going or had any questions regarding the Independents showing at Geneva. I published the agenda I had in regards to seeing and speaking with several while there. You can see the list in the other thread. Also got a chance to sit down and talk a bit further with Max Busser, Pascal Raffy, Karl-Friedrich Scheufele (my friend's boss and owner of Chopard), etc...Needless to say, it was an amazing and informative experience. It took quite a but of time to edit and organize these photos so hope they all upload properly and that you enjoy 😉 As for dialogue, questions, etc...it could be posted in another thread or simply responded to within this thread. Just want to focus on the photos taken. As there were way too many photos taken and not enough time to edit all of them, I cherry-picked the ones I liked. I also have numerous videos which show some of these masterpieces much better but unfortunately we cannot post videos here so anyone interested can hit me up personally and I can send them to you directly 😊 😉 Now on to the photos. We started off with Moser. This Tourbillon is based on an old Moser pocket watch (Gousset) and when I was speaking to Édouard Meylan, he showed me the old pocket watch as well as described this one and why he made it. The case is hand engraved and the sides are blue-enameled.











Next up were the fume dials. I really like the blue lagoon and funky blue dials. The new models come with Moser's double hairspring as well.



































The mosaic dials were also amazing in person.



































































The new green fumé dial Streamliner is superb. The size is great and if the bracelet is properly fitted, it wears like a dream. At this price point, I believe it will be a huge success for Moser, especially for those on a waiting list for an Aquanaut, Nautilus, Royal Oak, VC OS 4500V, etc...























Next was De Bethune which is a personal favorite.































































This next one is just unreal. The bridges are made from sapphire crystal as well 🤯







































































There were lots of other De Bethune models but we have already seen them posted elsewhere. Now on to Urwerk. Unfortunately, we saw multiple models but the majority were under embargo so I cannot publish photos here. I can however show one model 🤷‍♂️















On to Ferdinand Berthoud, which impressed me most in terms of quality and finish. As good as they look in photos and videos, they are so much better in real life and on the wrist. The new movement is JAW-DROPPING. You have to see the videos I took so PM me and I will send them to those interested directly 😉.







































































Bucherer was next but nothing worth mentioning here IMHO so we will skip to Louis Moinet of which I was not very familiar. Met the owner who was super gracious and welcoming. They had an interesting exhibition which included movie and TV memorabilia. I selected a few pieces which stood out below.



























Now on to Bovet. I knew about Bovet but not as much as some of the other Independents. What I saw really opened my eyes to the brand. Mr. Pascal Raffy is just as charming and passionate as JCB. Bovet is a true manufacturer in every sense of the word now, even though their history was not always like that. They employ one of the best (if not the best) miniature painters in the world, same applies to one of the best master engravers, etc...If you have never seen or held a Bovet before, I would highly recommend doing so. It really shocked me the amount of work and art that is involved in one of their creations.



























































































































































































This last one was BONKERS. Unfortunately the photos do not do it justice and I highly recommend seeing a video on YouTube if one exists or the video I took to really appreciate what a piece of art it really is in person. And finally, we conclude with MB&F. Love or hate them, MB&F have created a design language all their own and with their recent success with their collaboration with Moser and their LM101, I only see them going up in popularity. Max was super cool, very welcoming, and amazingly gracious with his time. I would personally like to thank the staff for their time and a special thanks to Max for taking time out of your busy day as well as doing the same on Thursday so we could have drinks together and discuss further. Hope to do it again soon and don't blame me if I harass you a bit on WhatsApp or elsewhere, just kidding. 😉 All I can say is, thanks for sharing a few secret projects with me and be sure that my lips are sealed 😁🤞 I will do my best to acquire a few pieces that we discussed as well as my dream piece 😉























And now the MB&F model I have wanted to see since it was announced. Most of you will know that JLC is my favorite Swiss manufacturer even though they have lost their way recently. Well, if you put Eric Coudray (inventor and developer of the Gyrotourbillon for JLC), Kari Voutilainen, and Max Busser together, this crazy machine is what you get. All I can say is in person it does not disappoint. BY FAR my favorite piece from everything I saw on Wednesday. I highly highly highly recommend seeing the videos for this watch that already exist on YouTube. I also took a few of my own and could share them with those interested. Repeat after me, "T h u n d e r d o m e" 😁🤣😂































I would love to show some photos of some of the amazing Chopard watches we saw Thursday morning but they are under embargo. One thing I can say, and this is especially for Nicolas (our resident counselor), I can honestly say I think I have heard the cleanest and best sounding minute repeater EVER. I have been fortunate to have handled, heard, and seen hundreds of minute repeaters over the years. The one we saw at Chopard was the ABSOLUTE BEST sounding repeater in terms of clarity, pitch, tone, and volume (amplitude). We can even go so far as to say that it was CRYSTAL clear since the gong they use is literally made made crystal itself. In fact, the gong is 1 piece of crystal formed with a lower half in the shape of a crystal gong. It is truly impressive. I was told that it cost Chopard over 4.000 euros just to fabricate this crystal. Have a look at this thing. Just WOW 😳😉



If you made it this far, I hope you all enjoyed the photos and journey. I know I did when taking them and getting the chance to speak with the people behind these works of art. The Independent scene is growing and for good reason. I hope it continues as they are innovators and push boundaries that the larger houses cannot or will not due to business constraints. I would like to thank my friend Yohann for the invite as well as all the Independents that hosted us. Also would like to thank the Hotel Beau Rivage in Geneva that hosted me during my stay. I would highly recommend them to anyone staying in Geneva. If anyone has any questions or comments, please list them below and I will do my best to respond in a timely manner 😁👍🙏


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Not sure yet but will try for next week if I can. Paris is a code red so my wife is not too happy about that either 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-13:50
Trying to minimize travel as much as possible but still want to live life 🤷‍♂️

LOL, wesh Gros 😉😂🤣 [nt]

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-14:07

Deal, as they say. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : August 29th, 2020-08:04

😉👍🤝🤝 [nt]

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 29th, 2020-11:37

Thank you for this...

 
 By: mdg : August 28th, 2020-10:48
...the FB watches are sublime. I give them a pass on thickness because of the type of movement and the astonishing level of finishing. Not usually Moser guy but I kind of like the first one with the engraved bezel...the size looks perfect and the 'old sch... 

Actually the Ferdinand Berthoud watches were not as thick as you would think, especially on the wrist...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-12:22
I wore my Lange Pour Le Merite especially to see the difference and yes the Lange was thinner in profile but it is also smaller in diameter so the ratio of case diameter to thickness was pretty close 😉

I think one just has to have the wrist to pull if off...

 
 By: mdg : August 28th, 2020-12:47
...at 7.25" I think I could. Yes, ratios are important. Now there's just the small matter of settling the bill : )

My wrist is around 6.5 - 6.6" and I could pull it off even though it looks large. So yours at 7.25" is more than adequate...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-13:01
now regarding the bill, well there I cannot help you unless I was looking for wife #2 🤣😂

P.S.

 
 By: mdg : August 28th, 2020-10:50
...in the days before high-speed internet, this would have been described as a modem-burner : )

I passed out with the excitement after the first dozen photos 😮...

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : August 28th, 2020-10:57
Unfortunately the dreaded Covid stopped me going. Thanks for sharing this epic with us !

My pleasure Cpt 😊 👍 [nt]

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-12:24

Great photos, I wanted to look at more,

 
 By: Thomas_3 : August 28th, 2020-11:09
but my eyes started to melt and run down my cheeks.

thanks a lot for the pictureS

 
 By: Tyo : August 28th, 2020-11:35
I think, you sould have done different posts by brands. Purists may have a lot to say about your stunning reportage. I like the Debethune word time. How does it work? Where did you upload the video of the MB&F?

I thought about doing it by brand but chose to group them together so everyone could enjoy all the photos...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-12:27
The De Bethune worldtimer is actually one of their most complicated movements. You can see and read about it on their site. As for videos Yohann, I can send a few of them to you directly on WhatsApp as I cannot load them on the site 👍

Let's just say, orders were placed and future projects well noted dear doctor 😉

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-12:33
Sadly, I cannot even show you all some of the uber cool stuff 🤷‍♂️

Not yet anyway 😉 [nt]

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-14:09

Unlimited uniqueness

 
 By: PoyFR : August 28th, 2020-12:05
This is a lot to understand and study but for now it is a feast for my eyes and my imaginations Thanks a bunch for you generous time, post and photos.

Sure? ;) [nt]

 
 By: amanico : August 28th, 2020-16:05

Hehehehe... [nt]

 
 By: amanico : August 29th, 2020-11:13

Thank you so much for this amazing and impressive post .

 
 By: Watchonthewrists : August 28th, 2020-12:14
Indies are my passion and i wish i was able to attend this event (unfortunately i just came back from Spain and had to do a quarantine for 10 days first so impossible to be there ) but this great post and pics gave me the idea i was there for a moment 🤗. ... 

Sad to hear about your quarantine but I fear it is happening everywhere. When I was in Geneva I saw that Switzerland had a list of around 60 countries that would require a quarantine...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-12:44
when returning back to Switzerland and one of them was Monaco which has one of the lowest death rates as well as infected. Makes zero sense as France was not on the list 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Likely because some watches you were ....

 
 By: Ronald Held : August 29th, 2020-12:37
Not allow to take pictures of them.

Captivating

 
 By: colton_d : August 28th, 2020-13:20
Thank you for taking the time to sort and post all of these amazing photos. The independent brands need to be seen and handled to be properly appreciated, and your photos have conveyed their allure very well! The urwerk pieces under embargo have me very i... 

Totally agree about seeing and handling the Indies. Good eye regarding the Five Fingers 😉. Have worn them exclusively for over 5 years now...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 28th, 2020-13:27
and you can simply wear a Moser Streamliner, Endeavor, De Bethune Diver, etc...during a jog and change back to a Bovet once done 😉

Huge thanks for this incredible work my friend

 
 By: Mike H : August 28th, 2020-14:08
Many gorgeous pieces you could see and touch, you must have spent an amazing time, what an experience ! Huge thanks for sharing all this with us 👍👌🙏🙏

Terrific photos, it must have been great to see so many incredible pieces!

 
 By: jleno : August 28th, 2020-22:31
Any impressions on the new Berthoud compared to the older models? Those MB&F clocks look so cool, very intrigued about the Chopard crystal minute repeater as well!

The new model wore very much like a contemporary watch so much easier for the masses than the octogonale shape of the previous models...

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : August 29th, 2020-04:45
if you look at my wristshots, you can get an idea how they wear. If I were to get one, I would probably lean towards a white gold with black enamel dial since the black dial would also make the watch look a tiny bit smaller. My wrist is around 16.5cm + or...