A good watchmaker in my opinion

Dec 29, 2021,05:51 AM
 

is not one that just makes beautiful watches but also a wearable watch.  Greubel Forsey makes some beautifully finished watches with amazing accuracy and are highly complicated. But how many of us can wear one on our wrist without the watch looking bulky.  I am actually seriously keen on acquiring a steel Signature One because it remains the most wearable GF by a distance, the smaller but thicker Balancier Contemporain is less wearable. Also there is always a debate on whether GF can still be regarded as an independent brand since the Richemont Group has a share in it.  


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The New Holy Trinity

 
 By: enjoythemusic : December 28th, 2021-13:36
Have been thinking about the old-school "Holy Trinity" some entity came up with long ago. A few of the older brands have been bought and sold to big conglomerates. One changed leadership with some questions coming forward during that time. Thus the old-sc...  

Although Independents do impressive work I think they still lack history and proven staying power.

 
 By: rip9er : December 28th, 2021-14:10
That said I don’t think we need to replace the original trinity but maybe it can be rephrased modern independents trinity?

Agreed To Some Extent

 
 By: enjoythemusic : December 28th, 2021-14:29
So we keep the Old-School Trinity, yet have a new Modern Holy Trinity for independents.

Excellent suggestion.

 
 By: amanico : December 29th, 2021-06:55

The original Holy Trinity being...

 
 By: MikiJ : December 28th, 2021-14:48
Audemars Piguet, Vacheron Constantin and Patek Philippe. Independents aside, maybe we should add A Lange & Sohne as a Holy Foursome?

Hehe :-)

 
 By: Echi : December 31st, 2021-12:57

But true! :)

 
 By: amanico : December 31st, 2021-16:20

Excellent Point!

 
 By: enjoythemusic : December 28th, 2021-15:16
Yet to try and 'erase' history may be a challenging task. Let's honor history for what it represented °°at the time of inception°°, though also realize this is ~2022 and so we need a version for today's landscape.

If one had to limit it to only three independents

 
 By: sham1 : December 28th, 2021-15:26
then it would actually be quite easy - Dufour, Smith and Voutilainen. For me they are head and shoulders above the next three which would be Romain Gauthier, Charles Frodsham and Rexhep Rexhepi. Don't get me wrong - Gauthier, Frodsham and Rexhepi are bril... 

If we're going to include Dufour in these three elite independents...

 
 By: MikiJ : December 28th, 2021-17:03
It sure won't take long to call the roll. Only in my dreams ;-)

Well to exclude Phillippe Dufour

 
 By: sham1 : December 28th, 2021-17:21
would be like to exclude Messi is any all star football team. Dufour is not too bad a watchmaker

Never to exclude DuFour...

 
 By: MikiJ : December 28th, 2021-18:42
In fact I'd rank him #1

A strong list sham

 
 By: Weems@8 : December 28th, 2021-21:29
Romain Gauthier could not be better than Kari, Roger, and Dufour. That is tru. I made this list: Romain Gauthier. F.P. Journe. Vianney Halter. Taste technically i came to this: Romain Gauthier. Roger Dubuis. Kari Voutilainen. Logical One Continuum Some mo... 

A good list Sham, but is it a coincidence that the top 3 make watches that fit your wrist, while the next set do not?

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : December 28th, 2021-22:59
😹😹😹 Greubel Forsey isn't even mentioned!!! 🙀🙀🙀 😹😹😹

Not quite because I would happily wear a Chronometre Contemporain by Rexhep any day! :-)

 
 By: sham1 : December 29th, 2021-05:43
And I have placed an order for a Frodsham a few months back so even though it is 42.2mm in diameter, I have 6 years to increase the circumference of my wrist!

Bravo! 🎉 There are a few purists on the list!

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : December 29th, 2021-12:56

A good watchmaker in my opinion

 
 By: sham1 : December 29th, 2021-05:51
is not one that just makes beautiful watches but also a wearable watch. Greubel Forsey makes some beautifully finished watches with amazing accuracy and are highly complicated. But how many of us can wear one on our wrist without the watch looking bulky. ... 

I am with you.

 
 By: amanico : December 29th, 2021-06:56

Just ask them to hand make a better fitting Hand Made 1 for you.

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : December 29th, 2021-12:57
Problem solved!

That would be the start of all problems!!

 
 By: sham1 : December 29th, 2021-13:29
Which bank to rob? Which kidney to sell??!!

for me, it would be GF, Dufour and Rexhepi

 
 By: DouglasM : December 28th, 2021-20:55
No message body

As one purist rightly mentioned, this is partly a recognition of brand history.

 
 By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : December 28th, 2021-23:07
So, modern independents don't make sense in that context unless the rubric is changed. As for history, we would need a brand like Charles Frodsham (independent and in continuous business since 1858) if we wanted a similar set of independents.

THANKS EVERYONE

 
 By: enjoythemusic : December 31st, 2021-12:56
YOU Decide: The NEW Modern Holy Trinity With 2022 upon us, it is also time we within horology decide a new Holy Trinity. With a nod to many decades ago, let us remember the old-school Holy Trinity for its relevance [I]when it was first decided upon by ???...