NO (long explanation inside)

Oct 13, 2011,11:38 AM
 

or maybe more strictly.......probably no; in the case of the Scarpetta series of novels, it seems unlikely that any 'cynical product placement' occured.

Probably the mention of Breguet timepieces in books by various authors is not 'cynical product placement': Stendhal, Mérimée, Pushkin, Balzac, Alexandre Dumas, Thackeray, Victor Hugo, Kuprin, Max Jacob and Patrick O'Brian, as listed in modern advertisements.

The most populist author who took great pains to include detailed descriptions of brands and specifications of cars, watches, clothes, drinks, cigarettes and weapons was Ian Fleming in the James Bond (007) novels. I remember, as a child, asking for Cooper's Oxford Cut Orange Marmalade because that's what 007 ate. I also dreamed of the day when I could have a Sea Island cotton shirt from Turnbull & Asser on Jermyn St, London.

.25 ACP Beretta automatic pistol carried in a light-weight chamois leather holster was changed to a Walther PPK in a Berns-Martin triple-draw holster made of stiff saddle leather.

Bond's cigarettes filled with a blend of Balkan and Turkish tobacco with a higher than average tar content from the tobacconists Morlands of Grosvenor Street were called "Morland Specials."

His champagne of choice was Bollinger in the books but this was carried on a product placement in the films because the Broccoli-Wilson family (film producers) became friends with the Bollinger family.

Bond films are notorious for their product placement, ostensibly because our hero had the newest gadgets and fashionable items before anybody else but recently Citroen, Renault, BMW, Aston Martin, Lotus, Jaguar cars, Rolex/Omega/Seiko watches and Church's shoes have been spotted.

Bulgari watches turn up in Iron Man and Transformers films and JLC graced Bruce Wayne's wrist (The Batman).

The list goes on.......

 

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MTF

 

 

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Watches in the literature...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 13th, 2011-08:39
Dear All: was watches represent not only tools for everyday life (still, at least), but also proxies for attitudes, wealth, style, moods or practicalities. Thus, it does not surprise at all if watches every now and then are discovered in literature as tin...  

I can't think of any specific book, but...

 
 By: Emil Wojcik : October 13th, 2011-08:51
...I recently took my brother to help him pick out a watch and he was insistent that it had to be a Breitling because he remembered the name from a book he read years ago when he was in high school. It was a novel about a World War 2 pilot and of course t... 

Magnus, isn't this just an example...

 
 By: pplater : October 13th, 2011-08:52
...of cynical 'product placement'? Something for which the brands have paid, in cash or kind? We are now very used to seeing it in movies, but it crept into novels in a big way some years ago. Cigarette brands, cars, watches, clothes, hotel chains, holida... 

NO (long explanation inside)

 
 By: MTF : October 13th, 2011-11:38
or maybe more strictly.......probably no; in the case of the Scarpetta series of novels, it seems unlikely that any 'cynical product placement' occured. Probably the mention of Breguet timepieces in books by various authors is not 'cynical product placeme...  

It mightn't be...

 
 By: BDLJ : October 13th, 2011-16:04
..purely cynical product placement, but it does smack of faux 'sophistication' and lazy writing - a way of conveying a certain degree of connoisseurship without having to establish any in the character itself. It also ages novels, or at minimum securely l... 

As you might expect...

 
 By: pplater : October 13th, 2011-17:39
...Patrick Bateman wore the Rolex Datejust on Jubilee. Cheers, pplater.

One of those...

 
 By: BDLJ : October 13th, 2011-18:21
...notable instances where the film is far more enjoyable than the book. I'm still convinced that if the Classification Board hadn't sealed that book in plastic, it would have sold about 8 copies.

And as quotes go...

 
 By: pplater : October 13th, 2011-17:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4zUH-Xv_o Cheers, pplater.

At first I thought it was a Swatch Group package deal

 
 By: mkvc : October 13th, 2011-22:45
because of Blancpain and Breguet, but if she is also mentioning Breitling and Rolex I think there's a good chance that watch descriptions are not transactional.

The watch descriptions may not be transactional, but...

 
 By: BDLJ : October 13th, 2011-23:11
... the writing is as turgid as it comes: "Maybe you're familiar with illumination technology? Gaseous tritium, a radioactive isotope that decays and causes the numbers and other markings on the watch to glow so they're easy to read in the dark?..." I mea... 

If it was another famous (female) American author...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 14th, 2011-00:12
I would think the same, but in this case - honestly, I don't know. Cheers, Magnus

Pulp Fiction is most memorable for me

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 13th, 2011-13:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kngBtoylIVM dont know what make is it...please enlighten if you know. Best, Horo

ELGIN ?

 
 By: Flere-Imsaho : October 13th, 2011-14:09
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Unless we've gone all...

 
 By: BDLJ : October 13th, 2011-18:43
Derridian (is that a word?) and post-modernist, in which case we might consider Pulp Fiction just another text, I think MB's original post was talking books. As for the ass watch...from what I've read/seen from screen grabs it was a Lancet.

If not for some dark brown like

 
 By: ArthurSG : October 13th, 2011-19:05
substance on the dial, I could have made out the brand.... I've made so much reference to pul fiction of late, I'm gonna pull out the DVD tonight

humm Magnus...

 
 By: foversta : October 13th, 2011-14:08
This Blancpain is a very fine watch. Thanks for the pictures! Fx

Thanks for the compliment. [nt]

 
 By: RJW : October 19th, 2011-13:54
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Dark Voyage by Alan Furst.

 
 By: mkvc : October 13th, 2011-22:48
At one point the protagonist, a ship's captain, is described simply as wearing a "good" watch. Based on the period (World War II) and on his character, I don't have the slightest doubt what brand he was wearing (IWC).

From the realm of autobiography . . .

 
 By: Dr No : October 14th, 2011-05:25
. . . I would add Albert Speer's mention of avidly perusing JLC catalogs towards the end of his incarceration in "Spandau: The Secret Diaries".

A Couple of Examples

 
 By: gweilgi : October 14th, 2011-05:56
spring to mind. Jay Lake wrote an alternative-earth trilogy where horology is not only mentioned but a vital plot device: "Mainspring", "Esapement" and "Pinion". In "The Grand Complication" by Allen Kurzweil, Breguet's long-lost Marie Antoinette watch is ... 

Practically a main character...

 
 By: tee530 : October 14th, 2011-07:37
...in "All Tomorrow's Parties", by scifi author William Gibson: Fontaine picks up the watch, affords himself a quick squint through the loupe. Whistles in spite of himself. “Jaeger-LeCoultre.” He unsquints, checking; the boy hasn’t moved... 

My Chance To Influence A Novel

 
 By: jkingston : October 15th, 2011-18:19
Magnus; An interesting post. I had my fling at trying to influence a watch vignette in the novel of an extremely famous author who was a client. I had been asked to review the galleys concerning a legal issue that had arisen. Having nothing to do with the...