Indeed Chronographs are very appealing complications

May 23, 2016,15:23 PM

After a long while comparing manual-wound chrono movements (this is something I'm willing to get as well so I've been very closely studying this field, among traditional brands), the Patek 29-535 is one of the most interesting, not only for the finishing but especially also for the evolutions it has bring it terms of setting and technical adjustments (and the new clever patented improvements). I find that some movements are often based on the same design as the Lemania (like the VC, very nice looking imho but not that impressive technically), without significant improvements, so I appreciate when technical aspects are made technically better than before and a brand doesn't take care of finishing only.

Your selection of chronographs is great and there are not many who can come that close. You made a very fine choice.

A shot I took myself of a Patek 5271P (I should have made a croped picture to show the quality of the finishing but it is also visible further below):

The 29-535 taken by Oliver:

And the same other beautiful pictures showing the beauty and very high decoration and finishing applied by Patek:

And this one from the same movement (I don't remember hwo to credit, sorry):

The cherry on the cake, the 29-535 version with Rattrapante used in the 5204 reference that I could study too but kept no pictures myslef:


A last one from the same 5204 movement:

This is a another level of finishing the brand brings forward compared to the 324 or the already very nice 240.

The new VC is nice as well, in a simpler layout but I like it decoration too (though less impressive than a Patek or Lange). I didn't take time to learn about its technical aspects yet but, from a comparision with the 1141, it is vey very close in terms of design:


For instance, on a lower level, I like the Duometer too but this is not in the same league really, not as highly finished as the Lange/Minerva/Patek ones. Especially when you come through the first bridges (straight lines and half circles only, easier to deal with after the machining automation), the parts a little bellow are much less interesting (see the cams at the bottom of the picture etc... quite basic compared to the very high end work). Of course, if we take the price into account this is a good result. But compared to the others it remains a little below.

Great post Robin!

Cheers, Mark


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Traditional, manual winding, high end chronographs

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-05:19
The chronograph is my favorite complication by far. The measurement of time elapsed, the complexities behind their construction, especially the manual winding, traditional, horizontal coupling chronographs of the old days.... The beauty behind their archi...  

Lemania based PP and VC

 By: DCC : May 23rd, 2016-08:21
Picture taken by Foversta but with my camera... The PP on the left is mine. ...  

What a duo!

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:46
Fantastic shot . This is what I was looking for in this thread Thank you for sharing. I don\'t own either of this yet I can admire their beauty from your pic Cheers Robin

Mesmerizing photos!! Wonderful movements!

 By: Ancienne Le Brassus : May 23rd, 2016-09:52
Thanks for sharing these amazing photos! S

My pleasure S

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:46
Always happy to share

I would classify the JLC Duometre A Chronograph in this category.

 By: amanico : May 23rd, 2016-10:56
The Lange Double Split as well, but certainly not the Patek and the VC, which are clearly a step below, in terms of decoration and or originality. Oooh yes, I well understand your madness for this kind of chronographs, my friend. The artistic dimension of... 

I agree with some points Nico

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:48
But i will still put the VCs and PPs here if I place the Minervas here. Even as the MB moderator, I must be fair to say that the MB Villeret calibres 16.29 and 13.21 (Minerva calibres) whilst beautifully finished, are not high on innovation too. The JLC D... 

Ow Nicolas,

 By: Mark in Paris : May 24th, 2016-04:14
Though I like the Duometer very much, there is a step between the Duometer's caliber finishing and the Patek (whether it is 27-70or the 29-535) or the Lemania based VC. The Duometer's is impressive in terms of light reflection from the upper bridges but t... 

Here are a few of mine...

 By: Dave G : May 23rd, 2016-11:10
To Nicolas' point, perhaps not all at the same level. Still most are quite nice. Duometres Dato 5070 5960 UN Monopusher VC Les Historiques Patrimony ...  

Oh boy Dave!

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:50
What a collection of fine chronos you have! Makes me feel like expanding mine I will take some years to get there. Your pics inspire me a lot! Thank you for sharing Cheers Robin

What a collection! How do you...

 By: nitediver : May 31st, 2016-03:36
Rate the movement finish within your collection? Thanks for sharing. Best Stefan

Beautiful movements all

 By: Brandon Skinner : May 23rd, 2016-11:50
...and such a great edition # you have on the 1858!

Thank you :)

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:50
I love the notion of 100%

I'll share

 By: CaliforniaJed : May 23rd, 2016-22:25
Our own PuristS Edition of the Chopard L.U.C 1963 Chronograph. My personal favorite. ...  

I almost forgot about Chopard LUC's new manual wind chronograph!

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:37
Beautiful German silver plated . Great finishing here for sure Thanks for sharing these pics Jed! Cheers Robin

The Villeret Deveil's Tail....

 By: wisPete : May 23rd, 2016-14:20
Just the coolest thing ever - it's there because.....well because the watchmakers are able to pull it off! Dufour's horns + Villeret tail would be quite a site together in one movement=)

The Minerva arrow head

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:51
Is indeed a feature I like a lot my friend

Indeed Chronographs are very appealing complications

 By: Mark in Paris : May 23rd, 2016-15:23
After a long while comparing manual-wound chrono movements (this is something I'm willing to get as well so I've been very closely studying this field, among traditional brands), the Patek 29-535 is one of the most interesting, not only for the finishing ...  

Thanks Mark for your insights and pics

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:53
Those Patek chronos are so beautiful!! I wish I can afford one soon Interesting point on the Duometre. I didn\'t realize the difference. Will try to see with a loupe next time in the JLC boutique Cheers Robin

Yes, tell us when you can

 By: Mark in Paris : May 24th, 2016-04:18
It is also about the difficulty to finish stright edges versus curved ones. Also when the curves are not regular or when they are so. This is still a question of details but I imagine when coming to these extent it is important as well as it is much more ... 

I agree in terms of decoration

 By: Mark in Paris : May 24th, 2016-05:21
I was just mentionning the finishing and chamferring of the cams etc in the movements. But I don't wish to compare which is best or not as they are all great chrono representatives (and the Duometre is in a different style as less "opened"). I was just bo... 

Beautiful photos, Robin.

 By: TheMadDruid : May 23rd, 2016-15:48
I have to agree with some of the above (read "Nico"): the Montblancs are absolutely a step above the Lemanias of PP and VC. I would still hold out for the Lange as "best in show" (are you shocked?). And the Duometre is quite a lovely piece as well.

Lol not shocked at all

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:54
Well the Dato is hard to beat as the king of modern chronos in my books

Great topic and comparison.

 By: MichaelC : May 23rd, 2016-17:57
Strictly from a beauty standpoint, the Dato is about impossible to beat. You must stare at these quite frequently!

Indeed I do my friend

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 23rd, 2016-19:54
I love to stare at them to distress

A lovely collection

 By: mpg13 : May 23rd, 2016-22:03
Very nice chronographs you have there!

Thank you :))

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:36
I must say I am very contented with my trio. Seeing some pics from other PuristS here of their VCs, Chopard LUCs or PPs etc gives me a lot of joy too That\'s why we share here Cheers Robin

Great pics bro

 By: ianny : May 24th, 2016-06:17
Beautiful movements! And what a trio! Personally, I think the Dato has got the nicest decorations. Regards, Ian

Thanks bro ;)

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 24th, 2016-06:36
I agree the Dato is definitely very nice on first look

Very nice

 By: Mostel : May 25th, 2016-11:30
My next ultra fine chrono has to be this Lang and Heyne... (not mine... yet). ...  

Oh boy what a beauty!

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 25th, 2016-17:57
There are some German watches which I need to learn more about Cheers Robin

Beautiful pics

 By: sueno213 : May 25th, 2016-17:42
Some of the most beautiful pic I have seen Thank you

Always a pleasure to share here

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 25th, 2016-17:57
Glad you enjoyed the pics Cheers Robin

Patek 5270 and 5204

 By: gerald.d : May 26th, 2016-06:00
Up close and very personal. No prizes for guessing which is which Kind regards, Gerald. ...  

Thanks Gerald :)

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 26th, 2016-23:55
Great pics thank you!

A Lemania must have a place in this

 By: flamenco : May 26th, 2016-06:06
Especially when it is this well finished And certainly in history ... ...  

Fantastic VC Malte chrono!

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 26th, 2016-23:55
Thanks bro

Breath-takingingly beautiful....

 By: Rhyzen : May 26th, 2016-07:17
.... But as usual, the Lange is a step above the rest in the visual domain. I can't think of any chronograph movement that matches it.

Lange is always very nice

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : May 26th, 2016-23:55
Thanks for your feedback

Some more nice chrono movements...

 By: p.boxster : May 30th, 2016-11:45
and even one automatic ;-)... Sister and brother from Glashütte: The both rattrapante Chronos from Lange and GO, both in Platinum: GO Senator Rattrapante Lange Double Split and here the Glashütte Original PanoRetroGraph, Cal. 60: Roger Dubuis RD 78; afaik...  

The G.O doesn't seem to be at the same level of decoration than the Lange but...

 By: amanico : May 30th, 2016-11:57
What a watch! Thanks for adding it. Best, Nicolas

You have a very nice collection of chronographs.

 By: TheMadDruid : May 30th, 2016-12:21
It must drive you crazy choosing which one to wear every day.

... you are right...

 By: p.boxster : May 31st, 2016-10:33
... this is indeed a pain I´ve got to stand...

What a feast!

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 1st, 2016-04:22
You have the finest collection or highly finished chronos! Thank you for sharing these pics Cheers Robin

Fascinating chronograph movements

 By: nitediver : May 31st, 2016-03:33
Congratulations to your nice collection. Pure beauty. Thanks for this interesting thread and the great photos.? Stefan

Glad you like this Stefan

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 1st, 2016-04:23
Cheers Robin

If anyone asks why finely finished manual winds chronos are the best eye candy...

 By: alphabeta81 : May 31st, 2016-14:13
...then I will simply link them to this post and your pics!

So many PuristS shared their fine chronos on this thread

 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 1st, 2016-04:23
Indeed this has become a fine chronograph movement thread Cheers Robin