I noticed them. But i think in NYC in live auction they may go beyond 45K
Jun 02, 2019,05:46 AM
Moreover after losing the AP bid I spent my budget on other watches so I won’t participate this time
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The best of Audemars Piguet!
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-05:26
Some of us may forget that two decades ago before the Royal Oak became so popular, Audemars Piguet were making some astonishing dress watches. Fortunately for me, these watches now offer excellent value for money in the used market and I am considering pl...
Thank you Christian!
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-05:33
I know it is a bit reckless of me to post these watches especially as I am planning to bid on them but these beauties need more appreciation even if it means my not being to obtain them! And yes, I am partial to the Star Wheel too which may go for the sam...
I have only bought at an auction once!
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-06:11
and that was a new piece. This is a bit of a gamble on my part I guess but I am expecting to have to send it for a service. Thanks for the good wishes. I shall need them!!
I have not enquired but
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-21:56
I will set aside USD5k for any service required which should cover it I hope.
By: MichaelC : May 15th, 2019-08:27
You are most welcome!
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-10:11
These watches are almost like hidden gems in the world of Audemars Piguet!
That first one is extremely tasty
By: VinnieD : May 15th, 2019-06:27
I find the star wheel complication much more interesting than a tourbillon for example This small package packs quite a punch! Best of luck getting it
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-10:12
I shall put all my effort into obtaining this watch but I fear my best may not be good enough! One can only try
Great watches, I also spotted them
By: dedestexhes : May 15th, 2019-06:29
if I would bid on one of them, it would be the first one. However being only 33mm, that is a tad too smal for me. Perhaps the second one wears bigger seen the « dial »? Hope you get the one you want! Keep us posted, Dirk
Dirk, they are both the same size.
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-10:14
In fact there were a number of reiterations of the John Schaeffer minute repeater in the mid 90s and they all measured the same. Some were perpetual calendars, others were jump hours or plain minute repeaters but size wise no difference.
Go for it, Sham!
By: Spangles - Dr. Tabby : May 15th, 2019-06:32
Definitely it'll be the perfect Eid treat.
I totally agree!
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-10:19
It just does not make sense when one can buy a used minute repeater from a top brand in remarkable conditon for less money than some of the independents are asking for finely finished three handed watches. Don't get me wrong - I love the Voutilainens, Rex...
Good choices, particularly the first.
By: jmpTT : May 15th, 2019-09:39
To be honest, many of the dress watches in the 1980s to late-1990s were incredibly conservative. Perhaps indicative of a market that was lost and not yet found. The 80s and 90s watches that ventured outside this comfort zone are under-appreciated, perhaps...
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-10:21
Perhaps it is the size that is off putting, I am not quite sure but these John Schaeffers represent a bargain in today's world. I have no idea what they were priced when new but they seem undervalued in comparison with much out there.
Thank you Nico!
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-11:50
This seems to be the general consensus and I am swayed towards the Star Wheel too
By: patrick_y : May 15th, 2019-15:13
I'd be happy with either one!
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-21:46
Hope you are doing well. I'd be happy with either one too
The first one hands down!
By: jleno : May 15th, 2019-16:07
Whoa, I'm incredibly surprised at the estimates for these. AP platinum minute repeaters under $40K??? Is that real?
By: APROchrono : May 15th, 2019-17:04
The estimates exclude buyers premium? So another 15-30%? Can someone more well versed in auctions confirm. I have never bid at auction... prefer private sales.
True, but estimates are just that...
By: APROchrono : May 15th, 2019-17:14
Serves to draw people in to bid and help drive what really matters - what it sells for. Or am I being too cynical?
Thanks Jay for the recollection.
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-21:55
I await in anticipation for the forthcoming auction. I have set my own limits - self discipline is key!
The AP minute repeaters
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-21:53
at the Geneva auctions that just ended last weekend were generally sold at about 20% above the estimates (inc buyers premium). The fact that the buyers premium is 25% indicates that the estimates were about right.
In my opinion, AP minute repeaters
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-21:51
are terribly undervalued at auctions. Maybe the smaller sized ones just do not command as high a price as the larger sized cases but hey, they are still minute repeaters and ideal for the smaller wristed folk like me.
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-22:37
I think it is a big 'IF' but I shall give it my best shot
Unfortunately I did not bid for the star wheel
By: sham1 : May 27th, 2019-09:08
the reason being Christie's were kind enough to send me photos of the watch and the condition report confirmed that there was a ding on the case band at 9 o'clock which was off putting. For the record, both the above watches were sold for the same price -...
The buyer's premium is usually 25% at the price level
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-21:49
Having observed auctions, I have noticed that many estimates are exceeded especially at Philips auctions where the estimates seem on the lower course some lots remain unsold but the majority do sell.
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-21:48
If you have been following the Geneva auctions, quite a few went for USD40k and under which included the 25% buyer's premium ie the hammer price was USD32k. Quite a bargain.
By: sham1 : May 15th, 2019-22:32
As I was mentioning to jleno above, I have budgeted USD5k for a service and I hope that would be enough. I hope
A question to an expert Nico
By: sham1 : May 27th, 2019-09:52
Can a ding on a watch case be repaired and be made to disappear? The star wheel above had a ding at the case band at 9 o'clock so I decided to refrain from bidding. The hammer price was HKD350,000 which was double its lower estimate and in excess of its h...
Good question Nico! :-)
By: sham1 : May 27th, 2019-10:50
Christie's sent this photo to me and to be honest, I never got around to asking them where the ding was!! Yes, I know, I know.....
By: sham1 : May 27th, 2019-11:11
Maybe I should have asked you before the auction rather than after it!!
I must make a confession
By: sham1 : May 27th, 2019-14:12
The final hammer price was above what I would have paid for it so I am not too disappointed Nico
Oh wow! What a coincidence
By: sham1 : June 2nd, 2019-00:04
or is this not a coincidence?!! In which case, I hope you will be bidding at the Christie's auction in New York where two more AP minute repeaters will be of offer. Again, both in platinum and again both John Schaeffers. I am just wondering if all these w...
A friend of mine called it
By: sham1 : June 7th, 2019-06:28
'The man in the iron mask'!! Limited to 3 pieces, that was going to sell for a high price!
I did not wake up in time Nico
By: sham1 : June 6th, 2019-23:17
The auction started at 6am Kuala Lumpur time and I am glad I slept through after last week's indulgence at Patek
By: amanico : June 6th, 2019-23:28
By: sham1 : May 16th, 2019-09:55
Your choice puts you in good company and I will bid as much as I can afford!