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Even if the rest of the watch is genuine, I honestly believe that dial is 3rd party.
The reason being mainly that the tapisserie is wrong for the model, based on the serial number.
The lume looks poorly done, and the PR fonts are very different from the others, and I don’t believe AP would ever make the numerals in the second time zone sub-dial that big, nor with lume.
It looks overall like a mishmash of ROO Scuba meets 15400, meets DT
I presume you bought this privately?
If not, then I would seriously consider going back to the dealer and getting a full refund.
The dial seems to have been inspired from a 25730, but like I said, the tapisserie is too big – so everything else doesn’t matter, not even the poor looking machining quality on the numerals section.
Crack open the case back and let’s see the movement – that’ll prove if it’s a fraken or a complete fake. I’m now leaning more towards the latter than the former.
Is anyone able to provide me detailed information of this watch?
I bought this watch in a Hong Kong AD shop in 2003, but since then I never saw this version again, not even on the internet. It\'s not the normal version of dual time... Does anyone happen to know about this watch? ...
Thank you for the shots
Really strange because the Arab indexes make me think to the 15190 or Nick Faldo limited edition. You should contact this website to know more about your timepiece: Best wishes Alkiro
Even if the rest of the watch is genuine, I honestly believe that dial is 3rd party.
The reason being mainly that the tapisserie is wrong for the model, based on the serial number. The lume looks poorly done, and the PR fonts are very different from the others, and I don’t believe AP would ever make the numerals in the second time zone su...
I disagree about the dial, based on the tapisserie, but would be happy for my suspicions to be proven wrong.
I hope for the OP’s sake that it is as you say, and the lack of photos online is nothing more than a sign of its rarity.
Thank you for sharing this very rare reference with us....
Many of us have never seen this one before, so we need your help to solve the mystery. I need you to go to a good watch maker, let him open up the watch and take out the movement, under the movement, inside the backcase, there will be a serial number engr...
Jaeger-LeCoultre movement...
but without the 24-hour timezone indicator for the 2nd timezone. Different proportions and lume than I've ever seen. Could have been a LE for a local dealer. -Dean
Yes, I will have this one solved.
I got it from a very large group store here, so it would not be fake by any means. I asked many local watch shops here, but none of them had seen this one before. So it would be interesting to find out more about it...
Well done Salman, and apologies to the OP for suggesting he might be in possession of a fake or fraken.
Interestingly that site/dealer was the only one with the model number – you could contribute to the Royal Oak Club’s archive with a photo of it.
Thank You, when someone has been around APs from all generations for the last 17 years you can spot the fakes and the originals, this particular 36mm Royal Oak...
Dual Time dial made for the 125th Anniversary of Audemars Piguet is a very rare reference. I hope the OP sends an email to the factory so they can tell him how many they exactly made. Maybe 25 pieces? S
Going fine so far thanks. Honestly no idea...
As you know, at that time there were 3 pieces, the blue, the charcoal and the silver/white. They always seemed to all be in stock before the 2012 decision to really limit it, but I don't the sales volumes. Everyone seems to want or have the blue. I guess ...
My Pleasure, it was a fun little treasure hunt LoooL, never seen it before, it's a cool Royal Oak at 36mm :-), some really nice pieces in this size...
I remember seeing one with Tantalum and Rosegold, really striking piece. this era from Audemars Piguet amongst others (the 1950s produced very beautiful and elegant pieces) produced very interesting creations, AP was not as well known as today and product...
Regarding RO models, 36mm is a good size for me up to 39mm (my ROO Triple Date)
I'm really happy to own this one with its really appealing dial (the only RO with a drawing to my knowledge). Best wishes Alkiro ...
Forêt du Risoux
The Gang on the Audemars Piguet Discovery Trail in the Risoux Forest. S ...
Sorry I had not replied, I was without access these past days.
I do vaguely recall seeing a photo of this watch some years ago. It appears Sal has taken charge and provided us all with good information. Thanks everyone.
Its fun to unrival mystery
After reading all the posts, I have done some research since I reside in Hong Kong and I have the following findings. However it would be best to unscrew the case back to see the actual movement if its a genuine AP or something else. Just now I went up to...
Thanks for your reply and info, Ian.
I have just gone ahead and forwarded a request to my contact at AP to see if he can lend some clarifying information. If I receive anything back, I will post it here.
I have confirmed with Audemars Piguet. This watch is not authentic.
Sorry to burst the bubble, it is a fake.
MichaelC, thanks for the call, a fake it is..
I wonder how much Ray8080 pays for this back in 2003...
King Fook
But how did the watch end up in one of the King Fook stores!? As mentioned, this store chain exists all over Hong Kong.
I have no idea
But surely someone within the store has one or two pieces ready to sell to tourists. This kind of "dirty" selling used to happen along Kowloon Tsim Sha Tsui area few years back. As tourist return home to discover what they thought they bought turned out t...
King Fook ....
Even if this is a fake sold through King Fook I am sure that Ray must have paid for it by credit card in that case the money goes to the company .... even in case he paid by cash I am sure Ray took an invoice so that's proof enough of taking legal action ...
Great detective work
but I am sorry for the owner of the watch. It is a shame that these things happen. I will be sure to avoid that retailer in the future.
I always buy from AP HK @ IFC
AD usually lure customer by offering 10% discount or give out straps. But they never have the limited edition pieces immediately after release. Buying from AP-HK also build up a good customer relationship, to me that's far more important than getting disc...
Good to know
It makes sense to build a relationship directly with the manufacturer if you are in it for the long-term. I really hope MichaelC or some PuristS with contacts to AP and Ray0808 tell AP the full story and then AP can take an action against the retailer, es...
No loss in trying
But seeing that it happened 13 years ago, unless Ray8080 can still produced the invoice and report case to authority. Then to track down the salesman might be harder to establish whether he was actually employed or part time etc. That's why I always tell ...
I can't add anything specific to this case. Regarding AP's strategy against fake watches...
This brand is extremely vigilant and fights the good fight. I don't see this as hurting AP's image at all. They did not make the fake watch, instead they make products so desirable that everyone wants to copy them (even some real brands, we clearly see AP...
I understand
it is not really AP's fault that crooks make counterfeits of their products. It just makes me so infuriated to think about it and the funny thing is I didn't lose a penny myself. I hope that specific HK retailer suffers some great embarrassment. (and yes ...
I am with you my Friend
For as much as we all are concerned with this topic, shouldn't we be able to believe we can walk into a reputable dealer and only handle authentic watches? Reselling is a massive business, but there are certainly companies that do it the right way and onl...
Thanks everyone for your help.
I am on a driving vacation and so did not come here the past two days. Regarding King Fook, it is a very big group, and it is hard to believe that it sells or sold fake watches. If so, then it is a very big issue. I will find it out when I am back in town...
I have asked AP in Hong Kong. They do have this reference and this watch. They even e-mailed me the picture of the exact same watch (at least the same dial and look).
I will go directly when I am back in town. Honestly, I don't quite believe King Fook sold fake products. It is somewhat feeling like Wempe selling fake watches.... Also, all the touches and movements of the watch are very fine, definitely not easy to be p...
In fairness to my contact at AP, looking at these pictures is not the same as handling the watch.
In the reply to me, the big concern was dial. It looks quite rough. Who can really tell without physically examining it? Please keep us posted!
I have a new message confirming this dial style was made by AP.
I sent a link to this thread, and in some of the photos it is very difficult to tell. That was the reason for concern. I compared your reference number, and it is correct for the dial.