Hands on review of the Lange & Söhne Odysseus

Oct 24, 2019,05:02 AM
 

An important event was required (if not mandatory) to celebrate fittingly the 25th anniversary of Lange & Söhne. And the presentation of the new Odysseus watch, the first of the 6th family of the catalog is a milestone one. The 24th of October, 1994 will remain for ever the date of the rebirth of the brand, the day when were presented the first 4 watches which were concretely testifying the restart of the activity of the manufacture. The 24th of October, 2019 may become a significant new date in the history of Lange & Söhne. Because the Odysseus is more than a watch. Or rather, it materializes the beginning of a new page for the brand.

The Odysseus renews the Lange & Söhne style while remaining recognizable:



There are many reasons why the Odysseus is a highlight for Lange & Söhne and not only because it is the first stainless steel watch to join the catalog since that rebirth date. And let me insist on this point: if Lange & Söhne has presented some steel pieces (a Tourbillon PLM,  several Lange One, the famous 1815 Homage to Walter Lange and the no less famous 1815 "service watches" that were not sold), the Odysseus is a watch that will be available outside the context of a limited edition. Be careful however: this doesn't mean that it will be more accessible both in terms of price and of its actual availability. Its price of 28,000 euros (official price with taxes in Germany) is almost double that of the most affordable watch in the collection (the handwind Saxonia in 35mm ) and its limited production will de facto lead to a very slow delivery.

I really like the different textures of the dial:




But behind all these explanations, I especially want to remember one thing relative to the context: thanks to this watch, Lange & Söhne rediscovers the spirit of the first days, when each new case led to the definition of a new movement and each new watch had a particular aesthetic dimension. In a way, the Odysseus is like a kind of a new Lange One, not aesthetically but symbolically. It is powered by a brand new movement, the L155.1 Datomatic, its design is unusual and it offers a large display of the weekdays in the same way that the Lange One introduced the double window big date. When I discovered this watch for the first time, I was surprised. I didn't expect that. And that's great news. Nothing is worse than a watch that fully meets our expectations in a way. We think we could almost design it by ourselves. The pleasure then becomes ephemeral and very quickly, it generates boredom. On the other hand, the unexpected causes strong emotions, positive or negative and can even lead to a process of slow seduction. This is what happens with the Odysseus. I would lie by saying that I fell in love at first sight. The feeling of surprise prevailed. I even told the Lange & Söhne team that I found the watch "interesting" ... you know, the polite way of saying that we don't really like ... And then I put the watch on the wrist and my point of view started to change.

I then began to appreciate the different textures of the dial, the perfect definition of its dominant color that can go from midnight blue to gray blue, the dial lay-out, both odd and contemporary, with the two large displays which are aligned horizontally. Then the shape of the bracelet when on the wrist gives to the whole watch a geometric style that creates a harmonious mix between the circle (the bezel and the inner circle of the dial), the half-cushion (the right-hand side of the watch ) and the straight lines (the bracelet).

The Odysseus is a geometric watch that plays with different shapes:



That's all the magic of the Odysseus: I love it more and more every time I look at the pictures. More than its aesthetics, it is also the roadmap followed by Lange & Söhne that I like. This watch is certainly the first true excursion of the Saxon manufacture in the world of sport chic pieces. Some models touched it in a certain way (the Grand Lange One Luminous with its calf strap and luminous hands for example) but the Odysseus really enters this universe because it can be worn in any circumstance: the steel bracelet and the water resistance of 120 meters allow it. But, and this is the key point, the Odysseus remains above all a real Lange & Söhne watch. It's very easy to check this statement: just hide the name of the brand and still, we guess without difficulty where it does come from.

It seems to be a detail but it is a real strength. While many rumors circulated in the market about the upcoming release of a Lange &  Söhne watch in steel, many feared that the watch would join the long list of watches with integrated bracelet inspired by the icons of the 70s.

The L155.1 Datomatic movement generously occupies the case:

 
The Odysseus has a lot more ambition. It takes inspiration from the trajectory of the manufacture since 1994 and certainly not from Genta or the 70s. It is definitely a real and contemporary Lange & Söhne watch, looking to the future.

The Lange & Söhne character manifests itself in many aesthetic, mechanical and ergonomic details.

1) the aesthetic approach

The dial is obviously the most visible element that connects the Odysseus to the Lange & Söhne atmosphere. The logo at the top of the dial, the big date, the Alpha hands (this time  they are luminous) are usual components of the brand identity. However, the dial of the Odysseus is singular. The detail that changes everything is the presence of a large window at 9 o'clock, aligned horizontally with the big date. It reinforces the symmetry of the dial while giving it a touch of originality. Note that the figures and letters are drawn on blue backgrounds. The displays are perfectly integrated while remaining very present visually speaking. The perceived quality of the brass dial is excellent thanks to the numerous relief effects (several layers, the peripheral flange, applied indexes) and different textures. The central zone of the dial and that of the sub-dial of the second hand thus provide an irregular rendering that breaks the uniformity of the whole. The result is very convincing and welcome in a less formal context. The blue dial is very well dosed. Blue is, despite its fashion effect, one of the most difficult colors to interpret in the watchmaking world. The blue of the Odysseus is very beautiful and subtle, and takes full advantage of the light conditions to change its appearance, from gray blue to midnight blue.

The watch becomes more refined and elegant when put on the wrist:




The case has a diameter of 40.5mm. Its thickness is 11.1mm. The watch is slender but not flat which is a good point in this more casual context. I recognize the typical shape of the Lange & Söhne lugs ... but seen from the front. Because for the rest, the manufacture took the opportunity to reinterpret its codes. The case is slightly asymmetrical because of the presence of elegantly integrated pushers around the crown. In fact, I have the impression to observe a half round half cushion case. The design work is very successful due to the presence of many sharp angles that give a lot of character. In any case, the size seemed to me to be the good one: it is big enough to integrate the two displays in a harmonious way and to be in conformity with the purpose of the piece and sufficiently contained so that the watch remains wearable and refined.

 
But, of course, it is the bracelet that defines the singularity of the Odysseus. First of all, given its width at the level of the end pieces, it is imposing under our eyes. Then, it doesn't look like the gold or platinum bracelets we had seen from Lange & Söhne in the past even though the principle of two rows of finer links had already existed. Finally, it draws many straight lines that contrast with the circular bezel and the mid-cushion shape of the case. Thanks to its excellent flexibility, it effectively wraps the wrist. On the other hand, the aesthetic integration of the big clasp didn't please me. Perhaps there was better to do on this point but the manufacture has privileged the practical side. This bracelet, because of its fastening system visible by flipping over the watch, is not a real "integrated" bracelet. The Odysseus was designed with it  but it gives the impression that future pieces of the collection could use leather straps. Lange & Söhne has had a very "Rolex" approach to the method: the bracelet is efficient, comfortable and changeable/scalable. So, the few visual concessions are more easily accepted.


2) the mechanical approach


As I mentioned it earlier, I found with the Odysseus the spirit of the early years of Lange & Söhne. An impactful movement was required to animate the new watch and the caliber L155.1 Datomatic belongs to this category undoubtedly. Its presentation is faithful to the style of the brand (blued screws, gold chatons, Glashütte stripes) and its finish is, as always irreproachable (nice engraving, neat beveling). But to tell you the truth ... everything else has changed. First of all its frequency which is 4hz which differs from the traditional 2,5hz and 3hz of the rest of the collection. Then, it has an asymmetrical crossing bridge (which replaces the balance cock) that I find very pretty and which firmly holds the particular balance of the Odysseus. This balance wheel has 4 screws that are integrated into the rim with 4 U-shaped recesses. Nothing sticks out what decreases the air resistance during the balance wheel oscillations and thus improves energy consumption and performance. The power reserve is 50 hours which is correct, no more, especially according to current standards of contemporary movements. I love the black rhodium finish of the winding mass that suits the style of the Odysseus and makes the movement more sober. Finally, the diameter of the movement is 32.9mm. It is very nice to see a big movement in such a case. The caliber L155.1 Datomatic is therefore faithful to the spirit of the manufacture but also makes its codes evolve. It is thus consistent with the aesthetic approach. On the down side, my understanding is that there is no instantaneous date / weekday change system and I regret it.

I really like the finish of the winding mass:


3) the ergonomic approach


 
The Odysseus aims to accompany its owner in all circumstances. It is not enough to make a steel watch to meet this criterion. It must also be easy to live with. Lange & Söhne responded to this challenge with 3 key points:

- the water resistance is 120 meters. The performance is excellent because the thickness of the watch remains measured,
- the side and discreet pushers make it easy to set the dates and weekdays,
- and the clasp features a clever fine-tuning system for the length of the bracelet, up to 7mm. Indeed, just press the disc that bears the Lange & Söhne signature to make the adjustment without removing the watch. It's very ingenious and very practical.

The flexibility of the bracelet and the optimal readability are also to be credited to the Odysseus which undoubtedly becomes the easiest Lange & Söhne watch to live with on a daily basis.

The clever clasp, maybe not very beautiful but very effective and practical:





So, what is my final assessment of this strategic novelty for the manufacture? Once the moment of the initial surprise passed, I began to appreciate the watch. I am convinced in any case that Lange & Söhne had the right approach. The Odysseus has its own identity and especially it shows commitment in the context of a watchmaking offer which is too often calculated and bland. The Odysseus is not going to please everyone and it is much better. I must admit for example that I am not totally seduced by the aesthetics of the bracelet (but I'm getting used with it) and the integration of the clasp. But comfort and practicality prevail.

I got used to the aesthetic rendering of the bracelet:


 
In any case, thanks to this watch, the Lange & Söhne has demonstrated that it is able to renew itself from both aesthetic and mechanical points of view. Just for that, the Odysseus is important. It infuses the brand with a dynamic and that's also the reason why it's a watch that any serious Lange & Söhne collector must own. Because it symbolizes a new beginning. The fact that it is made in steel is not for me the determining criterion even if the material is consistent with the use and purpose of the watch. It is this affirmed ambition and the fact that Lange & Söhne dared that seduced me. The price is, unsurprisingly, consisten with the standards of the brand and the segment in which it evolves. 28,000 euros (price including VAT in Germany), are obviously a significant price for a steel watch. But Lange & Söhne didn't release a "mere" 3 hand watch with a movement already seen 50 times. I even think that from the strict watchmaking point of view, the Odysseus offers much more than other competing watches.

The color of the dial changes according to the light conditions:

 
On the other hand, the Odysseus will not be easy to acquire. Lange & Söhne doesn't offer it in the context of a limited series but the pace of production will be reduced. I imagine that the customers served in priority will be the collectors of the brand and that others will have to wait ... or position themselves later on the other models of this new collection. In any case, rarely a novelty Lange & Söhne would have made as much talk about it in the days leading up to its release. The teasing from the manufacture has elicited many comments and I bet that the watch will do the same. Just for that, the Odysseus is a success because it wakes up Lange & Söhne from the Saxon quietude. Emotions, surprise, spice, a bowl of fresh air, finally things are moving at Lange & Söhne and this is great news. Customers were asking for this impetus and the brand needed it.


The Odysseus is a watch that captures the light:




Main data:

Movement L155.1 Datomatic, 312 parts, 4hz frequency, 50 hour power reserve
Case diameter: 40,5mm
Case thickness: 11,1mm
Movement diameter: 32,9mm
Movement thickness: 6,2mm
Stainless steel case and bracelet
Water resistance: 120m
Price: 28.000 euros with taxes (German price)

Pros:
+ finally Lange & Söhne is bringing something really new
+ the quality of execution and care to detail are faithful to the brand
+ the lay-out and the finishes of the L155.1 Datomatic movement
+ the beautiful color of the dial
+ a practical and easy-going watch

Cons:
- the aesthetic integration of the clasp
- no instantaneous date / weekday change system

Fr.Xavier






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The bracelet is too wide... dial is amazing...

 
 By: edo.k : October 24th, 2019-05:07
Thanks for great review...

Thanks for your comment! [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-13:14

I agree! 👍🏻 [nt]

 
 By: MCG (Markus) : October 24th, 2019-14:25

Thank you for the great review, dear FX!

 
 By: jack johnson : October 24th, 2019-05:09
As to the watch itself - I say Nay. The bracelet seems to be heavily based on the IWC pilot's watch bracelet construction-wise (links removal system, clasp) and is not appealing to me aesthetically.

Thanks Jack! [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-13:14

Not sure about that bracelet...

 
 By: Codes : October 24th, 2019-05:16
Also surprised there are no models with other complications like power reserve, dual time, etc...

Thanks a lot for your real life photos that reveal more than the press renderings...

 
 By: shortys home : October 24th, 2019-05:17
... my initial feedback on the watch is that I like case, dial and mvmt, not a fan of the bracelet at all. This new Lange should look great on a sporty strap, though. Cheers Henrik

Agree 100% [nt]

 
 By: SamEE : October 24th, 2019-16:52

Great presentation & review.

 
 By: RGS : October 24th, 2019-05:22
Case and movement all good. The dial is pure ALS, but needs getting used to in the context of the steel sports watch theme. Bracelet and clasp are a design problem and look aesthetically inelegant. Put it on a composite strap and see what happens. I am no... 

Thanks a lot for this excellent introduction to this new ALS timepiece, Fx.

 
 By: Pretty Boy : October 24th, 2019-05:33
As I said in a previous thread that was deleted (for good reason), I’m really positively surprised. It’s a fantastic looking sporty watch that is still recognizable as an ALS at first sight (which is a good thing). Its look is noticeably different from th... 

Thank you for the great summary.

 
 By: Grisar : October 24th, 2019-05:40
The watch as well as the strap are not inspiring in my very own opinion though. It's bulky and without brilliant design elements. The movement is on par with the recent entry and medium level movements from Lange, no gold chatons any longer, the engraving... 

I can see a gold chaton on the ¾ plate near the balance cock bridge.

 
 By: Boron : October 24th, 2019-07:58
There may be more under the rotor that’s prevent them from being seen.

Yes, correct [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-13:46

Excellent presentation review.

 
 By: VMM : October 24th, 2019-05:52
I like it because it's a Lange, but I feel nothing special. That bracelet, ouch! Thanks for sharing. Vte

I agree

 
 By: piccolochimico (aka dsgalaxy1) : October 24th, 2019-05:58
Why anyone should buy this one instead of a Lange 1? Because it's steel made? Because there's a bracelet? A pleasant watch, but not the Lange I like the most

Thanks Vicente! [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-13:47

Nice watch but

 
 By: aris d : October 24th, 2019-06:00
it isn't groundbreaking as the RO or the Nautilus was. Of course it will be sold well. Aris

Thanks for the review. I like this watch from Lange.

 
 By: M4 : October 24th, 2019-06:07
Very nice dimensions. Nice dial symmetry and displays. And I like the bracelet. This one's not on my short list, though, until it's available in a dial color other than blue. I have a serious case of the blues, which has been the fad color of choice for t... 

Hmmm... I'm sure MC can help you out. Let me ponder some purchases for you...

 
 By: MichaelC : October 24th, 2019-09:06
By golly I got it! I'll call you later ;-)

Also, I have trouble wrapping my head around those pushers to correct the day and the date...

 
 By: jack johnson : October 24th, 2019-06:08
I feel a strong rejection aesthetically.

Great review

 
 By: loccp-1 : October 24th, 2019-06:18
Thanks for the review Looks differently from those leak photos Anyway the bracelet looks a bit wide, but can’t do justice at the moment Will wait to see it in real metal Thanks again!

Thank you for the Details. One or two questions:

 
 By: nafetS : October 24th, 2019-06:21
- Is the Odysseus a watch or is it a watch Family (such as Saxonia, 1815, lange 1,...), the "Odysseus datomatic" being the First and possibly leading to other Odysseus watches with different complications? - Did ALS mention something, whether there will b... 

Family - Odysseus; Model - Datomatic

 
 By: colton_d : October 24th, 2019-09:41
Yes more dial options coming, and yes more complications/novelties coming to the odysseus family.

Thx, 2 more reasons to relax and watch the hype train from the deck chair.

 
 By: nafetS : October 24th, 2019-10:58
Let‘s wait and see which models are coming next.

Agreed

 
 By: colton_d : October 24th, 2019-11:48
I've never been a first-mover, and think the best may be yet to come. There is definite promise here!

We will see... [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-13:51

Yes Family. But i don't have any clue about its future members except...

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-13:50
that the bracelet is designed in a way that some future models will use straps.

You’re fast Fx...aren’t you !

 
 By: maverickmahesh : October 24th, 2019-06:28
Movements from ALS are never a doubt...gorgeous they’re!! I’m 50:50 on the dial side

I am sorry..

 
 By: yming : October 24th, 2019-06:35
Lange should stick to dress watches.. The case design is basically same as all other langes except this one has cushion edges on one side.. The day-date windows are really kinda eye soring in my opinion oh man 🤦🏻‍♂️

You don't have to feel sorry... I'm not the designer...

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-13:52
But no, I don't agree: Lange should NOT stick to dress watches. A brand has to move. Fx

1

 
 By: maverickmahesh : October 24th, 2019-13:59
I agree, brands need to explore/ expand to new landscapes

Thank you for the impressive work you’ve done.

 
 By: Tyo : October 24th, 2019-06:38
To speak about the watch. I think I like every single piece or part but I don’t appreciate the mix of all. The bracelet is way too large, I don’t like the overall impression between the bracelet and the case. The dial is cool, but the guichet for the date... 

Thank you very much Fr Xavier for this outstanding review and pictures, great job.

 
 By: Bobbe : October 24th, 2019-07:06
I need another look - or two - for this watch too really appreciate this watch. Just this week I received the 25 year ALS-catalogue. And I saw lot of very beautiful watch is indeed another road. But like you said, maybe it needs some time to like it, or ... 

A really nice looking watch

 
 By: mjv : October 24th, 2019-07:12
I agree with the list of pros: I really enjoy the aesthetic of the watch. I've grown accustomed to something's on steal sport watches that are missing here, I think, my list of cons would include: 1) Not regulated in 6 positions with a better than COSC ga... 

I removed the cons about the power reserve in my review.

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-13:55
Because in the end I prefer 50 hours with a well set movement than a larger power reserve and a lack of accuracy. But I understand your point since I wrote it before removing it. Fx

Not impressed to be honest

 
 By: benlee338 : October 24th, 2019-07:19
Dial looks good, but the bracelet... even if it's nicely finished, it reminds me of bracelet from much cheaper brands. No originality and design thoughtfulness to it. Sorry... P/S : Ironically, I think the watch will look much better on a leather or rubbe... 

Bracelet too wide? It look quite tapered to me

 
 By: cazalea : October 24th, 2019-07:45
Notice here: ...  

Meh [nt]

 
 By: dhendolan : October 24th, 2019-07:48

Looks like a Timex. [nt]

 
 By: Catulle : October 24th, 2019-13:17

Thanks for the review ...

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : October 24th, 2019-08:05
Alas I am underwhelmed; I can’t get past the unattractive bracelet, and it would defeat the point of a watch like this to wear it without the bracelet.

+1 [nt]

 
 By: jack johnson : October 24th, 2019-08:30

Thanks for the review

 
 By: Jari from Finland : October 24th, 2019-08:15
It was versatile and gave a good information of the watch. It seems that also Lange started manufacturing steel watches, that is current trend as to comes popularity of the sport watches.

Winding crown is way too small.

 
 By: Signo : October 24th, 2019-08:20
Not proportional to the case at all.

Bracelet looks like from the JLC Master series and the clasp looks like it is also used by Glashütte and IWC.

 
 By: LX : October 24th, 2019-08:38
Not a Code 11.59 disaster but certainly disappointing compared to my very high expectations. Also who chopped off the left ear of the watch??! I will obviously try to see it in person myself and am willing to be pleasantly surprised. My watch collection s...  

Thanks for the live photos!

 
 By: mj23 : October 24th, 2019-08:42
It's a very generic deisgn for a new collection..I am very disappointed...

I hope this is just a prototype and they fix this.

 
 By: TCE : October 24th, 2019-08:53
but I agree with whomever said th bracelet is too wide doesn't fit. MHO ...  

I was thinking the same, why not a perfect fit to the case and lugs?

 
 By: 1WatchMan : October 26th, 2019-10:25
I cannot understand, anyone has an official explanation?

First things first - THANK YOU Fx!! Nobody on the net covers this brand like you. NOBODY. Bravo!!!

 
 By: MichaelC : October 24th, 2019-09:04
Now the watch. Maybe I can offer perspective as a high end watch enthusiast who has never owned a AL&S timepiece. I think it is visually exciting, well priced and highly appealing. I could see spending for this sort of watch. I applaud the brand for m... 

+1. Well said, Michael.

 
 By: Pretty Boy : October 24th, 2019-09:43
I fully agree. I can see me wearing this watch. I’m pretty sure that in real life it even looks better than on photos.

Well priced?

 
 By: FlyingSnoopy : October 24th, 2019-22:26
I would not really say that. It is rather on the high side... Mind you, I do not say that it should have a lower price.. I agree with you that it offers perspective Cheers

Good question. Didn‘t come to my mind so far.

 
 By: nafetS : October 24th, 2019-09:18
Of course, it supposed to be some sort of crown guard i guess, so it‘s one-sided. But iI would also be interested in seeing, how it would look like with something similar on the other side.

OK, I've seen a Video now showing the pushers.

 
 By: nafetS : October 25th, 2019-05:14
Would still be Interesting to See it with symmetry. Not saying it should be Like that.

These are two pushers for quick setting of day and date.

 
 By: Pretty Boy : October 24th, 2019-09:45
They might disappear on new iterations of the Odysseus in the future.

Asymmetry, albeit at dial level, is one of Lange’s typical characteristics.

 
 By: Boron : October 24th, 2019-14:46
Not sure I see the need to endow the case with surplus bits of metal that serve no function. Doesn’t seem to be an issue on the likes fo the 15710 or the ROOCs, so why should it on the Odysseus?

Looks cheap.

 
 By: Catulle : October 24th, 2019-09:21
It looks like so many other watches that try to look like other watches. Lange, please don’t lose the way.

+1 [nt]

 
 By: jim_94104 : October 24th, 2019-10:20

Thanks for that great review. This watch is not for me ...

 
 By: donizetti : October 24th, 2019-09:44
... but neither is it the fall from grace I feared it would be. So all in all I am relieved that my appreciation of the brand is undiminished. Best Andreas

That is definitely a good effort from ALS. [nt]

 
 By: jlux : October 24th, 2019-09:50
But +- 50% more expensive than a VC Overseas ??

It has way more complicated features relating to the movement.

 
 By: Reuven Malter : October 24th, 2019-10:44
Yet nobody really needs them. I agree!

Disappointed.

 
 By: Dmitriy : October 24th, 2019-09:52
Probably the Odysseus model really raises the bar among luxury sports watches, but I see the design in the dial from JLC (Polaris), the bracelet is a symbiosis of JLC and GO. The decor mechanism is inferior to Breguet 777, AP 4302, PP 26-330, VC 5100 ... ... 

So you’ve seen the L155.1 up close and personal, in order to arrive at that conclusion?

 
 By: Boron : October 24th, 2019-14:50
In which specific area(s) is it lacking compared to those mentioned?

Look at the Breguet 777 caliber platine (Breguet Marine 5517) and A.Lange L155.1.

 
 By: Dmitriy : October 25th, 2019-01:52
(Photo Breguet 777 by Naked Watchmaker) To some this is not essential, but the A.Lange factory itself has many calibers with perlage on the platine. I don’t think it’s a factory saving. I suppose that by doing so the factory divides the calibers into the ...  

That’s one way of looking at it, but my own personal view is that it’s a aesthetic design decision.

 
 By: Boron : October 25th, 2019-03:19
I wouldn’t agree with the notion that Lange is using this as some sort of movement level differentiator, especially since it’s policy to not finish movements any differently depending on the price point the watch is destined to occupy.

Thanks Fab! [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-14:31

Thanks a lot Christian! [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-14:31

Thanks for the review...

 
 By: mdg : October 24th, 2019-10:06
...won’t be rushing out to get this one.

Brilliant comprehensive review

 
 By: sham1 : October 24th, 2019-10:11
of an average looking watch in my opinion. I wish Lange would focus on what it does best - dress watches and chronographs!

Thanks for the review

 
 By: jim_94104 : October 24th, 2019-10:17
but at approximately three times the price of the Rolex 114060, no thanks.

I see

 
 By: jim_94104 : October 25th, 2019-00:12
from your responses to the comments, as a moderator, I think I understands what this site is truly all about now.

thank you for this great review FX

 
 By: patrickh : October 24th, 2019-10:21
Best coverage to date on this new model and AL&S 6th line. To be wear to give a good advice and the comfort on wrist. Agree with your prso and cons. I should appreciate it more with: - No "AUTOMATIC" wordind on the dial - Instantaneous DAY & DATE chan... 

I would suggest strap models/options

 
 By: RGS : October 24th, 2019-10:31
Also, I can’t stop thinking why didn’t ALS simply offer The “Stainless Steel Sport Zeitwerk” instead.

Thanks for the great review Fx

 
 By: Jocke - Bad Santa : October 24th, 2019-10:37
great work at usual but this one will not end up in my collection. Although it breathes ALS quality throughout, it will not be that wow experience that a watch in this price range should give me. So my grail remains the blue Daymatic in Platinum. BTW . Ne... 

Daymatic blue is white gold, Jocke

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : October 24th, 2019-11:06
Have not seen it in real, the blue Daymatic, but the platinum, I did see which is still my favorite.

Correct my friend, white gold it is. [nt]

 
 By: Jocke - Bad Santa : October 24th, 2019-11:15

Fantastic Review...

 
 By: SALMANQ8 : October 24th, 2019-10:50
Thank you so much, it was great, the watch looks very well made, need to see it in real life, I think different dial colors will change many opinions. Especially in Black and Silver Grey. S

Two explanations:

 
 By: Chromatic Fugue : October 24th, 2019-11:10
(1) it has the trappings of a maritime watch; or (2) the design is lost and a bit at sea. : )

That's a funny remark

 
 By: Mostel : October 31st, 2019-13:24
'at sea' chuckle...

Yes...

 
 By: Mostel : October 31st, 2019-13:24
Hey, they may do a 2.0 of this one... and get it right...

Merci beaucoup, FX!

 
 By: Boris : October 24th, 2019-11:22
You are by far the person I like to read best on the topic of A.L&S, which contributed to my acquisition of a 1815 Auf/Ab. There is a lot to like about this Odysseus: - the dial (both the layout and the color) and hands - the movement - the asymmetric... 

Thanks a lot for your detailed point of view Boris.

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-14:39
It is difficult to explain. I know that I much prefer a lot of bracelets... but this one was working fine when I put the watch on the wrist. Fx

I think I know the bracelet I would have liked on this

 
 By: Boris : October 24th, 2019-21:22
The bracelet IWC was making for the Fliegerchronograph 3706 and the UTC - the first version of it, which incidentally had the same link removal mechanism. I do like the clasp and its adjustment mechanism, though, something the IWC bracelet was missing.

I quite like it, and I’m guessing that in the wrist it will feel absolutely awesome.

 
 By: descartes1 : October 24th, 2019-11:27
That said, I would have preferred to see a 12 o’clock date aperture.

What a splendid review!

 
 By: Ouroboros : October 24th, 2019-11:28
Your review is one of my absolute favourite reviews of this timepiece along with this article from Wristreview. Do you have any idea about what material the majority of the rotor is made of?

correct... [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-14:39

I almost read all the reviews from the usual suspects on the website I can find and yours, Fx, is one of the best, very nicely done. Thank you!

 
 By: I_am_Clueless : October 24th, 2019-11:36
I'm also a big fan of the brand, loves this watch and as with most critics, the bracelet did not wow me or strike me as iconic, identity at first. That being said, as shown in earlier post showing all the SS Sports watches in the market, it leaves not muc... 

Foversta, i think you also tried the new overseas4500v some time ago

 
 By: Reuven Malter : October 24th, 2019-12:16
Could you please compare these pieces shortly? Edit: other than that the ALS seems to wear smaller.. Thank you for the amazing review!

Yes...

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-14:43
Yes, the ALS wears smaller. But on the other hand, it looks more subtle and more sophisticated than the Overseas. But the Overseas has a great asset: the easy change of strap system. Thanks! Fx

Thank you very much! [nt]

 
 By: Reuven Malter : October 24th, 2019-14:45

VC new overseas still my favorite among the modern competitors to the original Genta sports watches

 
 By: drphileasfogg : October 24th, 2019-23:37
Second place, will be the new Chopard Alpine. Yet here is another blue dial steel watch, it is getting frustrating and I wished ALS would have done something else. Not for me.

Agree. [nt]

 
 By: Reuven Malter : October 25th, 2019-03:15

Thank you Foversta for this comprehensive report!

 
 By: patrick_y : October 24th, 2019-13:44
I got all the information I needed in your report! Thanks!

Thanks Patrick! [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-14:43

Fx as usual awesome job on the review!

 
 By: TonyR : October 24th, 2019-13:45
I couldn't wait to see/read your write up on the watch this morning. This is a piece that I was very excited about but my initial reaction is one of disappointment. The dial is beautiful and I can live with the case. (although I'm not crazy about the "ear... 

Thanks Tony. Time will tell...

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-14:44
I know that this watch has a successful start. Fx

Thanks a lot Babka! [nt]

 
 By: foversta : October 24th, 2019-14:44

Will you be kind enough for the lug-to-lug length?

 
 By: icecube4000 : October 24th, 2019-13:55
Thank you for such a detailed review. Will you kindly share the lug-to-length if you have the measurement or size of your wrist? I need to see one in real life. Bracelet is the big turn-off for me. I have a Lange 1 and was looking at 1815 AC in WG as my s... 

That bracelet taper is pretty sudden and jarring.

 
 By: reintitan : October 24th, 2019-14:36
It's something you don't see everyday. Not bad necessarily, but at the same time I'm not sure it's good.

Thank you Fr.Xavier. It's growing on me. I love the name... one of my favourite characters in Greek mythology

 
 By: emcquillan : October 24th, 2019-14:38
I need time to mull it over. I love the dial. Not necessarily the day-date function and the case is interesting, but not in the polite way of saying I don't like it. lol. The bracelet I'm not sure and the aesthetics of the calibre is ok. I'm still digesti... 

Thanks a lot for your

 
 By: MTR : October 24th, 2019-14:55
comprehensive, interesting and very detailed review. Really an impressing work! The first impression of the Odysseus: I think ALS goes in the right direction with this daily wearer. It definitely starts to grow on me but I have to see it in real life (esp... 

Great report.

 
 By: russell996 : October 24th, 2019-15:55
Many thanks. 👍

Love at first sight!

 
 By: SamEE : October 24th, 2019-15:57
Another one for the wish list.

Thank you

 
 By: batholith : October 24th, 2019-16:14
for the wonderful review. I like Lange and really admire their work, but this does not evoke much emotion in me either way. Perhaps when I get to handle one...

I like it. Really tempted. [nt]

 
 By: sake : October 24th, 2019-16:27
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Amazing post. Thank you!

 
 By: agyzace : October 24th, 2019-16:50
The watch is tough to digest though. All the best! Alex

Thank you for the great review!

 
 By: Langeholic : October 24th, 2019-17:00
Abit disappointed with this launch. ALS had the opportunity to create something truly groundbreaking or at least stylish. Instead they opted for a rather boring timepiece.

Thank you so much Foversta

 
 By: Gelato Monster : October 24th, 2019-19:06
Very informative and detail analysis. Somehow I don't feel anything, completely nothing with this watch. Perhaps in the future for a different model of Odyssey.

Thank you, Fx! Very thorough and impressive report..

 
 By: Echi : October 24th, 2019-19:41
I pass no judgement at this point. I've seen too many pics to know that a lot changes once a piece is on the wrist. All I can say is that it's good enough to give it room and enough time to be appreciated and not outrightly dismissed. Also, to those who s... 

Thanks for the great report, as always you are thorough and thoughtful, and your photos are excellent.

 
 By: vitalsigns : October 24th, 2019-20:28
Now to the watch... I have fewer nice things to say. It looks like a watch that has the quintessential Lange design ethos. Nice open dial, big date, large Lange luminous hands, and a small seconds sub dial with a traditional Lange look. Even the Lugs seem... 

A little divided

 
 By: rnaden : October 24th, 2019-21:09
I like the dial and case design - though I’m still not sure of my feelings of the pushers for the date and day. The finishing of the dial and movement is superb as with all Lange’s, though I wish they had not removed the polished cap from the movement. Th... 

Your photos are the best I've seen, FX. Thanks for them!

 
 By: CR : October 24th, 2019-22:10
I'd guess Lange will modify the bracelet in later versions of this watch to make it more integrated with the case, based upon the feedback.

amazing review as always, thanks!

 
 By: keks : October 24th, 2019-22:28
I really enjoyed reading it and your pictures are outstanding as always. Polarizing release to say the least, it has opinions circulating like mad and probably for good reason as it is not something expected nor easily digested. For what it is worth here ... 

Excellent review...

 
 By: FlyingSnoopy : October 24th, 2019-22:28
The watch seems quite interesting but, to be fair, it has to be seen in metal.. I do like the idea of adjusting the bracelet by yourself without screws... Thank you again Cheers

Honestly, it could have been worse. The dial is well balanced, with its day date guichets, the texture of the dial is interesting, I like the big " small seconds ". But...

 
 By: amanico : October 24th, 2019-23:02
It doesn't really sing to me. The bracelet is something I strongly dislike ( but I am not a bracelet guy ) and most importantly, I am not fan at all of the big rotor in a Lange watch. Ok, I know, it is a so called sports watch, but still... A Lange with a... 

Great review. Sadly I wont be knocking on the door for one

 
 By: Karlstumke : October 24th, 2019-23:15
Think I wait for my 5711R that I ordered this week

another comment: as L&S had chosen

 
 By: patrickh : October 24th, 2019-23:29
to not use the classical 3 letters for the Day, they could have a separation between the 2 Day letters and then be more symetrical with the date. Chopard used a special steel metal (scratchless) : "new steel alloy called Lucent Steel A223 . It has the qua... 

Thank you Foversta for the VERY detailed review.

 
 By: GreatPilot@me.com : October 25th, 2019-00:15
I have already put an order in for one with my boutique! I hate all the naysayers, not liking the watch (without even seeing it) is one thing but all the complaining, ESPECIALLY COMPARING IT NEGATIVELY TO THE CODE 11.59, WHICH I LIKE AND OWN the perpetual... 

My mind changed a bit looking at the videos at youtube

 
 By: Thomahof : October 25th, 2019-00:49
It has a lot of wrist presence, and looks beautifully sporty on the wrist. You won't regret putting an order down in my humble opinion! Thomas

I very much agree that a new Lange model needs to be seen and worn in person.

 
 By: CR : October 25th, 2019-06:20
Like you, I'm reserving judgment until I have a chance to put it on my wrist. That's based upon experience with Lange: My opinions of various Lange models have changed radically, more than once, upon seeing them in person. That being said, I'm still very,... 

I might be in the minority

 
 By: FlyingSnoopy : October 25th, 2019-12:11
But I actually like the Code... I would prefer if the hands were a bit thicker but the the case and the glass are magnificent Enjoy yours

Thank you for the review.

 
 By: Brego : October 25th, 2019-01:04
I cannot wait to see it in the metal. I have a feeling that it will look better on the wrist than in the pictures. I really like the dial with its big windows. A modern yet very Lange take. The case is reasonably sized but I would have liked to have a bro... 

Thank you Fx for the detailed review !

 
 By: ZSHSZ : October 25th, 2019-02:16
About the watch : Lange case with Gronefeld dial , OK overall , but the bracelet is a total disaster... Put it on an Oysterflex a la Daytona and I’m in . This is the watch you pick up two years down the road at a serious discount... For this price, I have... 

All good: a strong, very strong watch

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : October 25th, 2019-04:54
Clearly a Lange design, bracelet included. Thank you for tue review!

Over all the watch appealing to me. Nice detail execution.

 
 By: J K : October 25th, 2019-04:54
However, it strongly reminds me of this: and that is a problem... It just doesn't feel like a novelty... And certainly, being 5 times cheaper as well as being on the radar from the "beginning of times, Rolex" IMHO is unquestionably a winner. JK ...  

Yes, I'd rather take this Rolex. [nt]

 
 By: Grisar : October 25th, 2019-11:08
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I tried it on today in the Boutique

 
 By: NT931 : October 25th, 2019-04:56
The grained dial is quite nice, and the day/date not as obtrusive as I had thought. The bracelet though is far too wide as many have said, and it is a major letdown for me. A strap might save this one though!

Very sad...

 
 By: India Whiskey Charlie : October 25th, 2019-09:47
A first from Lange. The first ugly Lange in history. Bracelet is hideous, cheapens the watch and don’t get me started on the big ugly Day/Date indicators...

Mmm tough crowd...I will reserve final judgement until I handle this.

 
 By: Tim Jackson : October 25th, 2019-11:58
Initially I was surprised and a little shocked to see a steel ALS Sports watch or perhaps better described as a less than a dress watch. I didn't think that was what ALS was about. Then I got to thinking about the Zeitwerk, which to me isn't a classic ALS... 

Very well said Tim [nt]

 
 By: holdemchamp1225 : October 25th, 2019-12:36

Having handled this watch a fair amount I will say that I LOVE it!

 
 By: DarrenKats : October 25th, 2019-15:34
It was not what I was expecting when I first laid eyes on it in the metal, but it didn't take long to see the Lange DNA all over it. Many of the things that I feel are being nit picked in the close up photos, like the pushers, are quite subtle in person. ... 

A very tough crowd.

 
 By: Onemorewatch : October 25th, 2019-17:40
Made me think about the response to the VC Fifty Six, AP Code1159 and most recently the Chopard Alpine Eagle - what a fickle bunch we are - haha. It’s good to see Lange enter this market segment and I will personally reserve judgement until I see it in th... 

I have to admit that I'm not a fan of this watch...

 
 By: logan2z : October 25th, 2019-18:27
Besides the bracelet and one-eared case (an odd design choice to be sure), my bigger disappointment is that, for nearly $30K, Lange cannot seem to build a big date complication that puts the two date disks in the same plane - and then they put an unsightl... 

Thanks Fx, fantastic review and great pictures 👌🏻

 
 By: 1WatchMan : October 26th, 2019-10:32
I have contradictory thoughts, I love some features and don't like some details. The watch looks very nice on your wrist. I guess it's a watch to be worn, not a watch to be simply "admired". I want to see it in the flesh, not crazy about it but who knows,... 

I actually like it

 
 By: Mohannad (aka Riddler) : October 26th, 2019-11:11
Need to see it in reality but I somehow like what I see

The consensus seems to be a "nay" on this new ALS...

 
 By: YpJ : October 26th, 2019-12:05
...however, I can't help but to think that will change after some time has passed. From a sheer aesthetic standpoint, it offers an interesting combination of features (grand Day/Date on a 40mm watch, multiple finishes on a tasteful blue dial, symmetry, mi... 

$28,800 usd or $1 for every semi oscillation

 
 By: Francoamerican : October 26th, 2019-16:28
Thanks for the article!

I don’t like this watch at all

 
 By: Mr.Gatsby : October 28th, 2019-10:58
The aesthetics is mediocre, mediocre, mediocre at best. I can’t decide if it’s a dress watch on bracelet or a sports watch. The bracelet looks too refined. It’s nothing like Rolex AP or PP. This is seriously a no go for me, just like many other brands tha... 

Could be one that I would like to wear - in fact very much

 
 By: ammerix1 : October 31st, 2019-12:29
except for some misgivings -- not about the bracelet, which many on other sites find "hideous" -- not me! but about the date typography, especially the serifs on the date-of-the week, which are surely there to emphasize the Lange tradition. The week-date ... 

Hi Amerix

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : October 31st, 2019-13:21
I also noticed that the week day is slightly bigger than the date figure(s). A more symetrical look would have been better but still: I think this watch is a triumph! The offered complications are very useful, for the exact reasons you have mentioned. Fur... 

Don't like

 
 By: Mostel : October 31st, 2019-13:16
But will keep an open mind. While some sport watches DO have day and date... this one makes them both HUGE SERIOUS complications, which are UNsportwatch-like... emotionally, it's cold, like Lange did not understand the 'adventurous-feeling' of Sport... bu... 

I think it is the "sportiest" one of the whole lot

 
 By: COUNT DE MONET : October 31st, 2019-13:38
Nautilus, Overseas and Royal Oak in particular are way too thin to give them any heft on the wrist. In my book the named three are full steel dress watches. The Odyssesus is 11 mm thick and one can tell by the pictures that it wil have some weight on the ...